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Oh, I just noticed you said KKG too. I didn't list them because I think most people consider them top of the bottom tier, but I guess some people consider them bottom of middle. They're improving a lot, thanks to their new house, but I still wouldn't say they're on the same level as the other middles. They have really nice furniture though. I have heard that their nationals has a lot of rules (like that they can't do their hand sign anymore? Someone verify if this is true or false.).