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yeah. they became more status obsessed and are taking on the "i'm too cool to care about anything" attitude of a teenager. it's not exactly working. their aloofness just makes them forgettable. just look at their attitude about thurtene. they aren't doing thurtene with dg this year. they thought everyone else would follow along and stop doing facades, but no one did. dg founds a new partner. many other chapters also found new partners and are proceeding with facades.