rank

Kd/chi o
Phi mu
Dg/ZTA
ddd
Pi phi/adpi

Definitely.

I agree. I think DG still has the involvement and retention numbers to keep them ahead of ZTA and DDD for the time being. But, ZTA and DDD are both seen as better supporters of Greek unity and perhaps the likeability factor puts them ahead of DG for some people. ZTA especially had an excellent recruitment - and a very strong PC12 also. It will be interesting to see what happens this year.

Agree with close. ZTA and DDD are excellent groups, but tradition and numbers has the top 4 staying the top 4.

Y'all are ranking the sororities based on their reputation from LONG ago. Times have changed and so have the rankings.

XO
KD
Phi Mu
DG
Pi Phi
DDD
ZTA
ADPi

The rankings have changed over the past couple of years and I think that's exactly what most of these posts reflect. Pi Phi has not moved ahead of ZTA and DDD. Not saying it couldn't ever happen - Pi Phi has definitely improved, but so have ZTA and DDD. Of course, many factors are very subjective, but considering involvement, chapter numbers, honors and achievements over the past year, GPA, philanthropy, classiness, general likeability and support of the Greek system this is MY opinion:

ChiO/KD
Phi Mu
DG/ZTA/DDD
PiPhi/ADPi

I've always heard that DG advisors ran the chapter, not their exec or members. Sad!! As for DG being tops in all of those categories, I disagree. GPA, size, philanthropy, and retention - yes. Involvement is still strong but not close to what it was 3 years ago. I don't consider this group classy - class involves good sportsmanship and accepting defeat well. I also don't see their general like-ability as being so great either. My DG friends are convinced that every other house on campus is out to get them which is far from the truth. DG is no longer the force they were when my cousin was an MSU Greek in 2008.

Even with all if this being said, I still agree with your rankings Phi Mu has improved but has not passed DG but have they caught up to KD and Chi O.

KD/Chi O
DG/Phi Mu
DDD/ZTA
Pi Phi/ADPi

The last sentence of my post should read

Even with all of this being said, I still agree with your rankings Phi Mu has improved but has not passed DG nor have they caught up to KD and Chi O.

I'm also in one of the houses ranked in the top two and I just pledged this year. I don't know much about what really happened over the last year or so, but I do know what all the girls were saying during recruitment this year. Most of the girls (especially the ones from Mississippi) still like DG eventhough there was talk about how they aren't liked by the other groups and aren't as strong as they used to be. I didn't pref DG, but I thought they were nice and some of my friends ended up there. Some girls had definite ideas of where they wanted to be and it was a bad experience for some of them. For the girls with an open mind I think the experience was different though. Some girls really liked Phi Mu, but some girls really didn't. Most girls were impressed with ZTA and DDD.Overall, I'd say Phi Mu, ZTA and DDD were really close. From the PNM's side, I'd say:
ChiO/KD
DG
Phi Mu/ZTA/DDD
PiPhi/ADPi

I'm not saying I agree with DG and their homecoming antics, because I don't, but I would like to reply to some of your points. Personally, you sound very bitter about being cut. Many chapters have to cut girls right off the bat that they would have loved to gotten to know better. Its great that you were thinking about what you could add to someone's philanthropy, and if you are still in a chapter now I hope you find a reason to be passionate about it too. But I think it's wrong to anonymously bash a sorority because things didn't work out. The panhellenic numbers don't lie and DG didn't give snap bids and they met quota. Please don't spread gossip because you're mad about a certain sorority. It really hurts the whole system and that's not supporting greek unity, which you claim is important to you. I'm sorry you felt mistreated, but you really could handle yourself better instead of calling them dogs. Just some thoughts from an upperclassmen who is tired of the drama.

ADPi got a great group of girls as did Pi Phi. Not sure why all the negativity. Very hard for ADPi to go through recruitment without a house and without a full house of active members due to the colonization in 2013. Don't assume that the girls in ADPi and Pi Phi are there because they didn't have other options........Both are top national sororities and many girls want to be in them.

@new - You made some very valid points about how every house had some girls didn't didn't like them. There is no house that is fit for every girl. So, when you said that ChiO, KD and Phi Mu got every girl they wanted, I hope you were just being sarcastic. It would be ridiculous to believe that 3 houses could each get EVERY girl they wanted - if only for the reason that some houses likely want the same girl. I'm not a DG, but I think that their numbers, involvement and grades still keep them just under ChiO and KD. I agree, though, that Greek Unity does matter and things could change for them in another year. For now:
ChiO/KD
DG
Phi Mu/ZTA/DDD
Pi Phi/ADPi

So glad you could read the sarcasm:). Large numbers and good grades does NOT make a group Desirable NOR # 1 2 or 3! You could have 300 members doing very little for that large #. Likeability does matter....do you get along with other groups! and Involvement means you have leaders, so yes that is important. Anyone know numbers for class officers, senators, SA officers, freshmen forum,Alumni delegates, spirit groups, fashion board, diamond girls? I know chi o and phi mu and kd are rockin all categories!

KD/chi o/phi mu
Dg/ddd
Zeta/pi PHI/ adpi
That's the way it is for likeability, grades,involvement.

Bumpy bump

I too am a new girl in one of the so called top two. To the comments by "From my" it is obvious you are of one of the last two groups you mentioned, also.honestly, I also heard similar statements during rush about even kd and chi o.....girls either didn't like these houses/uncomfortable ( sure wouldn't use the word "hate"....rather strong for meeting a group briefly) or they did. Chi o comments were , "they are fake/stuffy". So, it is very unrealistic to say everyone loves these two houses....they don't. ( my roommate cut chi o night 3).What it's all about is where a girl feels comfortable. Most girls from my hometown preffed chi o, phi mu, kd. . Everyone knows all 3 got every single girl THEY wanted and that wanted them! DG suffered a lot of cuts from some great girls this year.....GREEK UNITY MATTERS! A LOT.

you apparently have not been around very long. if you wanna talk about Greek Unity, then let's talk about how Chi O led a boycott of DG's philanthropic fundraising event last year. let's talk about how classless that was - and then let's talk about how DG responded to that nasty behavior. if you'll remember, DG did nothing to retaliate. they responded like true classy ladies who know exactly what it means to show Greek Unity. they did not return evil for evil. instead, they fully participated in helping other sororities raise money for their philanthropies. because it has to do with helping others - and because it was the right thing to do. then, although they could have - they didn't badmouth the groups who failed to participate in their fundraising efforts. so, if we're gonna talk about "Greek Unity" then let's tell the whole story here. DG is the picture of Greek Unity - and anyone who could say otherwise is obviously a part of the problem. sorority membership is - in large measure - based around service. and the groups who failed to support the fundraising efforts of a service-oriented group should be ashamed of themselves. what they did was not only shameful, but tacky and classless.

let's be mature, please. everyone knows that top houses are the ones who get bashed the most (KD, DG, Phi Mu, XO)...but it's really sad when they do it to each other. can't we all just get along?

Hypocrite ... you bash one group as you condemn others for bashing DG. The is a BIG difference in boycotting participation and boycotting donations! DG's Philanthropy did not suffer because EVERY sorority still made the same monetary donation as usual!' They simply did not participate in the games. If you are going to be a hypocrite and bash other groups it would help to get your facts straight first!

i'm a new girl and i'm wondering... why did chi o boycott dg's philanthropy? what reason would they have for doing that?

@new you forgot to mention how DG went against EVERY sorority and nominating their own court, just so they would have a shot at EVERY spot. Um, that's NOT greek unity, that's selfish. Sororities still gave monetary donations for their philanthropy, but chose not to participate in Anchor Games. This is the SAME story every single year because DG doesn't care that they are openly going against all other sororities.

OH! And truth be told - none of the other sororities would've cared 2 licks about DG's decision to run their own maids if all the DG girls had lost. The only reason they got mad was because DG won. IF the other groups disliked it so much, then they should've run their own girls and given the student body another option on the ballot.

Don't choose not to run girls and then whine about who does. IF you want to make a difference and not 'let' one group win everything, then RUN FOR THE SPOTS YOURSELF!! Quit being whiners and DO SOMETHING! I've listened to this mess for years now and am SO over it. Quit complaining and be a part of the change!! If you don't like who is running, then either step up to the plate or stop the complaining!

The only thing worse than a DG (probably a freshmen) ranting about unimportant crap is that everyone else fell for it and jumped all over her. It's truly PATHETIC how much everyone cares. How much a DG cares to bring this all up and scream about how they're right...how much you idiots care to jump all over her. NONE OF IT MATTERS. It is all in the past and it should stay there, I for one am SICK of hearing about it, from both sides! STOP COMMENTING ABOUT THIS. She just wanted to stir up trouble and y'all fell for it. I reported all these comments because it just makes our entire greek system look petty. Do not comment. Do not rank. Just be the bigger person and LET IT GO.

PJ Who? Not sure who you're talking about, but the simple fact that DG did was the university administration asked is enough for me. DGs are team players, and respect the university. Nuff said.

It's great that other groups are building new houses and adding on to existing houses. DG is adding on theirs too. Great. None of that has anything to do with the issues at hand. Why even bring it up?

DGs campaigned for their girls. Great. They handed out treats - big whoop. There's no rule against it, so why complain? Candidates at other schools do that all the time, so why complain that DG has copied what works other places? Anyone who wants to can do that.

Branching out to reach non-Greek students is a good thing. Why wouldn't a candidate do that? It's smart. All sororities should actively campaign for the candidates of their choice. That's teamwork. That's being a part of a group. No news there.

Greeks are not the only voting students on campus...and to think that way is not only short-sighted, but mean. If non-Greeks don't want to vote for a candidate, they won't. End of story.

DG followed university policy, campaigned for their girls, and then did not retaliate when other groups boycotted their philanthropy. So your claim that other groups don't like them because they're not "team players" is false. If other groups have any problem with them, it is because DG works hard and is competitive and they are threatened by DG's success. DG can't control that.

Well clearly '@new' is a dg and going down on their anchor

There really aren't that many differences among groups. Three tiers, at most:

KD/ChiO/DG
Phi Mu/ZTA/DDD
PiPhi/ADPi

Chi O
KD
PHI MU
DG
DDD
ZTA
PI PHI
ADPI

without a doubt. I am also new and all the talk during rush was chi o and phi mu.

Put DDD between ZTA and ADPi.

Oh yeah

KD/Chi O/PHI MU
DDD
DG/ZTA/ADPI
Pi phi

What the heck????.... Should've been:

Kd/chi o/phi mu
Dg/ZTA/DDD/adpi
Pi phi

Wake up Phi Mu. You're dreaming. Sorry, talk may have been about Phi Mu and Chi O during recruitment but that does not put Phi Mu on the same level over all as Chi O or KD. A group doesn't jump to the top. It takes years. I think that Phi Mu is a closer equal with DG.

Chi O and KD (honestly equal)
DG
Phi Mu
DDD/ZTA
Pi Phi/ADPi

No sorry or dreaming here.....talk still is
It is a fact
KD/CHI O/PHI MU
DDD
DG/ADPI/AT A
PIPHI

If the people you are around are still talking about Phi Mu and Chi O then you are a new member and new to campus. Phi Mu has gained a lot of ground over the past few years but over all ranking takes longer than that to change.

Not real sure why you are putting Pi Phi last? Pretty sure they have more involvement than ADPi. Looks like we've got some self rankings. Go home ADPi.

1. KD/Chi O - both have been tops for years (as in 30 to 40 not 3)
2. DG/Phi Mu - DG has been a top group for years but has had serious PR issues on campus for the past
several years and had fallen in popularity. At the same time Phi Mu has seen a rise in popularity over the
past 3 years pulling them from 4th to a basic tie with DG.
3. DDD/ZTA - great members who love their sorority and always put their best into campus events
4. Pi Phi/ADPi - doing well as the newer groups on campus (not knocking them in any way just stating that it
takes many years (decades) to become a major group on a campus with a very involved Greek life.

Not a DG but I agree. DG shouldn't be on the same level with ADPi. And not below DDD.