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my message to pnms on this website

by: Mount Fuji

So many of you are stressing out about rushing... Greek life isn't everything. You don't even have to go Greek if you don't want to. That's why college is great, you get a chance to actually be yourself, find what you love, and explore what you're passionate about.
I was in my chapter for a year and a half before I dropped. The chapter I was in was fine and it was a hard choice, but I'm honestly so glad I'm on my own now. Embrace your independence. You can have friends, go to parties, do service, and, more importantly, represent yourself as an INDIVIDUAL without being in a fraternity or sorority.
Generally, the lack of independence was my largest issue (personally) with being involved in Greek life. There are other qualms I have about the Greek system that I'd rather not ramble on about, but I'll address them in general terms. Hazing is an obvious first. The whole rush process is pretty fake and superficial. Clearly dirty songs that become "tradition" can be hateful and discriminatory towards certain groups. And, almost undeniably, Greek life is frivolous: Parents of Greek students pay thousands of dollars so that their kids can wear letters as a status symbol, bask in superficially-based exclusivity, make friends connected to you by a set of values and insignias that are honestly kind of arbitrary at this point, go to socials, and have something frilly to put on their resume.
We're not in high school anymore. You don't have to be in some sort of club or clique to feel...

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#1  by: Mount Fuji   
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... like you're worth something. You know what makes you worth something? Spending every day in pursuit of your goals and what makes you happy. Make friends based on real shared interests! If you want to do service, do research and find an organization that really speaks to you. And, trust me, you can find lots of parties whether you’re Greek or not. College doesn’t last forever. But the growth you experience during the next four years will. Just consider that.

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#2  by: M.B.   
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Thanks for this, it was actually super insightful. My sister and mom were both in sororities and expect me to rush but I've been kind of unsure about it. It's something I'm still thinking about.

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by: Mount FujiApr 12, 2015 1:07:43 AM

Hey, it's no problem. I'm glad you could get something out of it.

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#3  by: Except   
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i have never thought of my sisterhood as superficial. It has been a place where I have gotten to know a diverse group of girls working toward a common goal, whether improving our grades, having fun doing homecoming decs and Greek Week competition or putting on the best rush possible. I also have never thought of being in a sorority as just something to put on a resume. In fact, I'm not sure most people do unless they were a high-level officer. And I certainly don't use my sorority as a way to feel as if I am "worth something" I have been worth something every day of my life and my sorority merely confirms that. I assure you my sisterhood has helped and supported me as I work to achieve my goals. I believe I am a happier and better person because I have gotten close to an important group of girls. We will be together all four years and beyond, and will keep growing and being supportive of each other. . If you didn't find that in your sorority, well, I feel bad for you. But don't put down an entire system simply because you didn't find your niche.

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by: Mount FujiApr 12, 2015 12:59:29 AM

I appreciate your reply. I want to point out that
a) I didn't mention if I was male or female.
b) I'm not putting down an entire system because I didn't find my "niche". I'm putting down an entire system because of the basically undeniable truths about it.
c) I have seen sorority life at Mizzou, and I don't know if it could truly be described as "diverse". Also, you can have good grades on your own. And, when it comes down to it, things like Homecoming and Greek Week are frivolous whether you think so or not. I'm glad you've found support and great friendships in your sorority, but I hope you're prepared for the real world where there aren't girls there to support you all the time. That's not how the real world works; that's not how life works.

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by: Mount FujiApr 12, 2015 1:09:16 PM

It's actually really amusing that you think I'm a woman, namely because I'm not. I'm not going to disagree that most fraternity members aren't the most articulate people, but yes, there is a man who has been through this and cares enough to talk about it. "Sorry you can't envision a world with supportive friends". Really? I don't know where you got the image that I'm some sort of friendless loner, especially when I clearly stated in my original post the importance of making friends in college. Would your friends still be friends with you if you had dropped your sorority? I hear horror stories of girls getting insulted, shut out, and ostracized after deciding for personal reasons to leave their chapters. And I wonder what kind of "friends" they had. At the core of it, we're different people with different opinions, and that's fine. I'm glad for your accomplishments and the friends that you've made, but problems with the Greek system as a whole still exist and they shouldn't be ignored.

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by: Give It A RestApr 12, 2015 2:06:33 PM

Wow, here we have a woman posing as a man lecturing us on the fact that life isn't perfect. If the sorority system is so awful, why do thousands of women want to join and probably fewer than 100 quit after initiation? And how do you know and why do you care what sorority friendships are all about anyway? You made your decision, so live with it. And we will live with ours. But why in the world are you trying so hard to convince us you are a man? That's just stupid. And if you want to case a stone about a flawed system, if you really are a man, start with the fraternity system. But, of course, you aren't.

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by: Mount FujiApr 12, 2015 2:32:05 PM

Haha, you know what? Think what you'd like. You're the one making yourself sound ignorant by assuming untrue things about me. I don't have anything to prove by being a man, I only even mentioned it because the person was so insistent that I was in a sorority/a woman. I was addressing sororities in specific in my comments because the person who replied to my comment is a woman in a sorority. And if you read my original post, most of my problems with Greek life can be applied to both fraternities and sororities, so why would I only talk about fraternities in specific? My message was to anyone potentially interested in Greek life reading this website, which includes young men and women.

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by: Here's an ideaApr 12, 2015 3:47:43 PM

Why don't you concentrate on fixing the system you supposedly know so much about firsthand - the Mizzou fraternity system? Hazing, wretched houses in disrepair, financial woes, terrible grades, roofing. Seems to me with all of those problems, the so-called superficial friendships you insist exist among sorority girls are the least of the Greek system's problems.

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by: ???Apr 12, 2015 4:34:05 PM

I'm confused. Is the OP a woman or a man? Or maybe just a former ADPi?

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by: Well...Apr 12, 2015 4:47:07 PM

Bruce Jenner?

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by: Mount FujiApr 12, 2015 5:06:06 PM

Ooh, it's so funny and edgy to make fun of transgender people.

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by: HmApr 12, 2015 10:13:22 PM

I don't think she said greek life was bad, she was simply making it a point that it is not and should not be everything. You should explore your individuality in college, not become defined by a few letters which tends to happen whether we realize it or not. It's very easy to become so absorbed in the superficiality of greek life without even noticing we are. We start to look down on those who aren't which is horrible. Many people just choose not to be involved because they don't have the money and feel they can still benefit in college without greek life. The poster was just trying to say it's not everything and often times people make it seem that way.

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by: HmApr 12, 2015 10:17:50 PM

She/he. Whoever it may be. I understand the concept.

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#4  by: ok   
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I understand that it's important to let people know that it's okay to not be apart of the Greek system (for financial reasons, personal reasons, or just simply not wanting to).. There's nothing wrong with that, but you definitely made it seem like there is something wrong with choosing to join

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by: Mount FujiApr 13, 2015 8:46:54 AM

My message was that it's okay not to be a part of Greek life for these reasons: __________ (see: original post), not that there's something wrong with choosing to join. It's just important for people to make informed opinions before joining. I'm trying to tell PNMs what I would have told myself before rushing.

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#5  by: Do tell   
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It sounds like this chick joined a house with a bunch of robots or clones who gave up their individuality and lost their personality simply because they pledged. I would love to know what house that was because I have never heard of such a thing. Did you have to sign a blood oath? Did you have top agree to a personality exorcism just to be a member? It sounds like what you went through was JUST AWFUL. Please let us know which house it is that strips people of their independence and requires them to give up all of their goals and dreams so that they can live a frivolous life. You would be performing an amazing public service.

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#6  by: for reals?   
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Have you ever noticed that the OP is NEVER wrong, it's just that the rest of us are just not reading what she wrote correctly? In other news, she is NOT WRONG for maligning the whole Greek system, we are just wrong for finding our niche there. And she is NOT WRONG about quitting a house, we are just wrong for staying. And my guess is that she was NOT WRONG for alienating the women in her house which caused her to lose friends, but rather they just didn't understand her quick judgments and intolerance. And she was NOT WRONG for quitting instead of working from the inside to fix what she thinks is bad about the system, but we are wrong for staying. And this girl has the gall to tell us how the real world works? How would she know? When she's unhappy she just picks up her toys and goes home. instead of giving things a chance and working things out.

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by: Yes.Apr 13, 2015 10:56:53 AM

^ nailed it.

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by: yupApr 13, 2015 11:42:13 AM

There's a name for people who always blame someone or something else for their unhappiness: losers.

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by: Mount FujiApr 13, 2015 11:56:58 AM

Wait, I'm unhappy? This is certainly news to me. It's actually pretty sad to me that my post has devolved into petty name calling and false assumptions about my intent. I'm not saying that anyone is "wrong", and I'm not saying that I'm "right". Both sides are simply sharing their opinions, and I believe that's a good thing. If you found your niche in Greek life, that's fine. My original post wasn't even directed towards those who are already involved in Greek life, but rather what I've taken away from the Greek system as a whole, and my advice based on that.
I think the fact that so many people in the comments are jumping at my throat at the NOTION that Greek life may not be the most accepting, individualized, meaningful institution is actually kind of helpful in proving my point.

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by: Capt. ObviousApr 13, 2015 2:07:33 PM

Seems to me if you were totally HAPPY with your decision to pledge and your sisterhood, you would have stayed instead of quitting. I have read this entire thread and I'm confused. If you were 100% happy, wouldn't you have stayed? And talk about false assumptions, seems to me you are the Queen of False Assumptions when you conclude that people wear there letters only as status symbols, that you give up your independence when you join a house and that you can't make friends based on real shared interests when you are in a sorority.

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#7  by: Just a thought   
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I really don't think it is an issue of losing your independence to be in a house. The problem is that a lot of girls join to wear the letters or go to the parties but then complain when they are expected to be at the various activities that are also part of the experience. They come to college wanting to be a part of Greek life but forget that they have a responsibility to that house that they joined. You can not be an "it's all about me" type of person and expect to be happy in a house. It is a time commitment to be in any house as well as a financial commitment. For me, it is definitely worth it but maybe not for everyone. Maybe this is what we need to emphasize to pnms more.

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by: Convinced - Apr 13, 2015 3:16:04 PM

that the OP is a former ADPi who dropped, along with about 10 others from their original pledge class. I guess that's why they do "super secret" (but known to all!) COB.

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by: Mount FujiApr 13, 2015 3:55:12 PM

Thank you, "Just a thought", for the constructive criticism of my message. That's actually super helpful, and I'll keep that in mind. As for the commenter above, you're wrong, but it was worth a shot.

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#8  by: No    
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These comments are terrible. First of all, every single one of you commenting are likely the same bimbos who comment on posts about tattoos saying "no we hate you and tattoos so don't expect to be in my house with your stupid tattoo or nose piercing" like come on. And the greek system is supposed to be so diverse and accepting and not exclusive yet people make comments like that? And if you're not those girls, i can guarantee that you still subconsciously judge "GDIs" or however you choose to refer to them for choosing not to be greek at all and actually PITYING them as I've seen many people publicly do. The point of this post is a good one. People need to know what they're getting themselves into. Greek life is not rainbows and flowers like you guys are trying to make it sound. while there are perks to greek life like better academic standards, philanthropic opportunities, job networking, and of course socials/parties etc., there's also A LOT of superficiality issues. You want to be greek? You better look good, have an outstanding personality, have outstanding grades, know someone in a house, know how to rage or all of the above if you want any chance at a good house. Otherwise, kiss your chances goodbye. To not acknowledge the fact that so many men and women think this way is ridiculous. You have to realize that the system your in, while you may be happy and in love with it, IS flawed. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be so much questioning of greek systems as a whole at all.

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#9  by: jadlfjalsdj   
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u guys r a bunch of geeds

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