real talk

To elaborate since I know someone's gonna give me slack:

When a girl does something just for the house she would cut a girl that would just fit perfectly and would have a great time with all the other girls but because she had a deeper voice she cut her because she didn't want frats to think we recruited lesbians. That's what would be called recruiting for the house only. Or on the other hand, recruiting a beauty queen that every man would die for and you know she just wouldn't get along with anyone in the house but you do it anyway for frat attention. There are girls like this out there, but most of us think about both sides before making a decision on whether to cut or keep.

Time to sober up. Maybe later today the alcohol won't be talking and you won't feel the need to be quite so crude. I think women should know that it's best to keep an open mind because even though you might think you are a perfect fit for a house, they might not agree for any number of reasons. You call that being a drama queen? Really? I call it being realistic and it's something PNMs should know. And when you are sober you will see that's not a lie.

I'm literally the most average girl you could find and was only cut from two houses in the top tier (chi o and kappa) because I just jived with them. It's seriously not hard to get into a top house. They care more about personality and presentation than they do about all your achievements. Because like I said I'm as average as they come. I had a 3.5. I had only one extracurricular activity in high school. I did volunteer work a few times I guess but I don't even think I put it on my resume. I'm not a beauty queen. I'm just easy to talk to. And I think if you make the girls feel comfortable that's the key. Because im high achieving or not, nobody is gonna want you around if you make them uncomfortable. I'm now in a top house but at the time I never even knew they were considered that. I just liked em.

So yeah I take the OPs side here. Pnms shouldn't be scared of this so called big bad top tier because really they're no harder to get into than any other house. You just have to fit.

I agree with both sides that are being presented here. One, personality and presentation are the most important things for a PNM during rush, in my opinion. However, as someone from a "top tier" sorority, we make cuts before girls even walk through the door. If you have under a certain GPA, you are automatically cut regardless of your personality and presentation. Do I agree with this whole heartedly? No, but I do think that our grade cut off is reasonable and think that every solid PNM going through recruitment should be above our grade requirement. Also, we DO take into consideration involvement and look at your activities. Once again, this is all considered before every PNM walks through our door. So as far as cuts go, I would say the first two days are grade/involvement cuts. After those first couple days is when it is more focused on conversations and getting to know each girl to determine if she is a fit for our house.

This is where I have to disagree a little bit with some of the other posters. Guess what? A lot of the top houses are fighting for some of the exact same PNMs. Likewise, a lot of the top houses do not want a lot of the same PNMs. Sadly, it's not all about "fit". It can be a combination of a lot of things. Bad grades/involvement, weird personality, unattractive. Personally speaking I know my house looks for girls with the whole package. On paper and in person. So yes, I would say that it is "harder" to get into our house in that regard.

Let's stop this nonsense right now. Top tier houses are top tier because they get the most desirable girls. Bottom tier houses may have a great sisterhood and strong involvement, but they don't cut many people. They ask just about everyone back and hope they come. I don't even know what a good "fit" means, since there are some houses doing the choosing based on a high set of standards. There is a reason the OP is not in a top tier house. She's just not very bright.

why have we strayed from the original point of the OP: that it's not necessary to scare pnms into thinking the top tier is unattainable??? The point of it is that the top tier is a lot less difficult to get into than most of you drama queens make it sound. Sure it's a little harder to get into than the bottom tier like phi mu, sigma kappa, zeta, kd, etc. but all the other houses are so close together when it comes to the types of girls they get (I've seem beautiful, smart, sweet, fun ladies in every single house) that it's really not some difficult feat to get into a top house. Because the top houses truly aren't that much better than middle tier houses and that's something nobody can change my mind on

No one is trying to scare anyone, but the truth is the truth. You are doing a disservice to every girl about to go through rush by saying it isn't difficult to get into the top houses and that all houses are the same. I have followed this discussion until now and I while I think your motives may be commendable, your logic is lacking. The fact is it IS difficult to get into the top houses and that's why PNMs should approach the process with an open mind, give every house a chance and hope for the best. No one wants to discourage anyone, but what good does it do to lie? There are houses right now who already have done preliminary cuts. Is not personal, but it is a fact.

Can we finally put this topic to rest? There ARE top houses; they ARE difficult to get into: they DO cut many more girls than they as back; they do have very high standards. It's not a matter of fit, it's all about if you meet the standard and a house's expectations. That said, keep smiling during rush, don't get discouraged and give every house a chance. There are no bad sororities at Mizzou. Most women at other schools would be thrilled to be a part of our system, where the worst house is better than the top house at many the schools.