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How many did each house take? Such a large group this year!

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Chi O is 110’s

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I heard quota was 88. Sigma Kappa brought home 93.

By: Miztgr
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There is no quota standard at Mizzou. Some houses take more or less.

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Quota is the same for every chapter. Quota Additions are why houses take more. Quota Additions are how every PNM is guaranteed a bid if she ranks both her pref houses, even if it puts a house over Quota.

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by: No   

No it is not the same for every house. Quota is based on number of member slots open, some have more, some have less. Some houses take way more while others don't.

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by: ^   

No, that is incorrect. That is not absolutely not how NPC sorority recruitment is conducted. You have obviously never heard of RFM. Quota is Quota, the number of pnm's signing cards after pref/the number of sororities.

ALL houses bid match to that same Quota number, and then some houses take more Quota Additions. The reason that some take more than others is because the less strong recruiting sororities have to carry more pnm's to every round. Their return rates are not as high so to hit their numbers they need more pnm's. This filters all the way down to pref round and these chapters take the most pnm's to pref, so they will have the most Quota Additions.

It is COB that is based on open slots. After recruitment numbers are all in and bid matching is completed, Chapter Total is set, and THEN any house below Total can COB up to that membership number.

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Zeta took 170!

By: Emm
by: SK   

Because they LOST 100 between last fall and spring.

By: SK
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by: Really?   

I would presume they then spent all day offering bids after actual bid day to even get those numbers, if true. While agree member numbers change for lots of reasons, one of the other points of adding members is to help fill the house and pay to keep the chapter profitable in the sense of housing, events, nationals etc. Considering Zeta also does a size-able spring COB those numbers would surely indicate a chapter who has retention issues. I certainly wish all their new members happiness, but I actually hope that 170 isn’t correct. 1) So there isn’t a retention concern 2) Just for the new members experience in general and 3) It doesn’t feed into the more bids the better the house mindset for those on the outside who don’t know what big numbers actually mean.

Boasting large pledge classes isn’t always a good thing.

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They took 97.

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by: no cob on bid day   

There is no COB on bid day. "I would presume they then spent all day offering bids after actual bid day to even get those numbers, if true." That can't happen. You are describing COB and that is not allowed. The very earliest COB can happen is the day after bid day, but only when Chapter Total is reset. Any house below that can start doing COB.

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by: pha   

no they only took 97 and had 0 snap buds since their rate of preference was so high.

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by: wrong   

“no cob on bid day” stop spreading false information. idk about this year, but cob can happen as soon as bids are opened.

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The numbers below don't even make sense. Only 1575 girls rushed and many dropped out or were released before Pref Day.

By: SK
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I'm confused. If there are only roughly 250 active members each year, and you take a pledge class of 80-100 (and Zeta took 170 apparently), that means a huge number drop their house after they accept their bid. Otherwise their active number would be MUCH higher.

By: G
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Numbers drop for several reasons. There are girls who graduate in December and then you have your seniors who graduate in May. All chapters have girls who decide that they do not have the time for a sorority the upcoming year and they either drop or become alums. Please do not think that active members may be lower for some chapters because their members do not like their chapter and just drop.

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If a chapter is consistently loosing a larger than normal amount of members every year, and it's so much higher than the average rate of the other sororities, then it is definitely a chapter retention problem. They aren't graduating THAT many seniors year after year, it means their membership isn't sticking around. The membership experience has to be worth staying for, the member selection process needs to focus on quality members who show they will take their membership seriously, the scholarship requirements must be emphasized, and the leadership needs to make sure all this happens. If a chapter is missing any of these things they will have members dropping out. A one-year blip can happen, but what's the trend?

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Taking a much higher number of PNMs does not reflect positively on a chapter. It means 1. They lost a huge number of members since the last recruitment 2. They have a weak national that allows them to take members just to fill the necessary slots/numbers 3. They have financial problems and need every possible person whose check won't bounce 4. They aren't very selective. Beware.

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by: PHA   

Idk about this. Chapters can’t just send out extra bids to fill spots until after formal recruitment has completed and total is determined. The number of bid day bids is determined by PHA’s quota + quota additions. If a chapter has a large pledge class, that means they had a lot of quota additions. Since the system tries to place quota addition pnms in their #1 house, more quota additions would likely mean more girls ranked them first.

A large spring COB pledge classes is more of an indicator of girls dropping/graduating. But even then, it’s complicated.

By: PHA
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Quota addition pnm's are placed based on a few factors: how the pnm's ranked their two houses, the pnm's position on the two chapter's ranked bid lists, and the membership numbers of the two chapters.

The houses with lower return rates must invite back larger numbers of pnm's at each round because they can't count on the pnm's ranking them high. So they dig deeper into their numbers and invite more. That is per RFM. This means more pnm's will end up at their pref, and there will be more pnm's than can match to quota, so they will need to be placed as quota additions. That's why more quota additions are always going to come from these pref houses. Quota additions are not for the chapter's sake but for the pnm's who ranked both pref houses to be able to get a bid.

Houses with higher return rates will have fewer pnm's at every round and so fewer at pref, and will come closer to hitting quota, and have fewer pnm's left to be placed as quota additions.

Taking a lot over quota means the chapter's return rates don't allow them to be as selective during recruitment.

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by: PHA   

Yeah that makes sense! Ty

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Zeta took 97 new members per their instagram. Not 170.

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by: GreekMU   

Let’s be clear. Zeta took 97 so far…still counting and that is after they just did a pledge class of 95 in the spring. So far in 2024 they have pledged 192 girls by they own published numbers

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by: Fratman   

That means Zeta has 190 new. So probably 60% of total members pledged this year? Their black goth easy girl look theme for bid day sums it up

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Use Math people:

Number of PNM: about 1600 because we all know PHA doesn't give the exact number and they were at 1575 before it closed
Minus number of drops before prefence day: about 100-150 normally (using 125 for this)
Equals: about 105 would be standard quota +/- 5

I would guess quota was between 100-110 so anyone below 100 was under quota and anyone over 110 was over quota. This would be the mathematical guess. We have heard everyone was prepping for 110 but I haven't seen anyone much over that. We also heard that the larger NM classes this year are houses that graduated a lot of seniors or are super close to their nationals total.

Fall COB will probably be a handful of houses or less, if anyone.

By: OMG
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The size of NM classes has nothing to do with how many graduated in spring, and there is no such thing as a "nationals total."

CHAPTER SIZES DO NOT DICTATE BIDS. It is Quota (same for every chapter) and then QuotaPlus (to place pnm's, not to fill chapters) on bid day. AFTER bid day there is COB. Every house hits quota and has every year except SSS which is why they had to fold.

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by: Huh   

Our nationals definitely tells us a number to take after quota. Were you even Greek?

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by: not nationals   

Chapter Total is set by PHA after bid day and that determines how many COB a chapter can offer. This is to keep equity among the membership sizes on campus. Also, chapters can't offer bids on bid day except those done through the recruitment bid matching process. The soonest COB can happen is the day after bid day, as soon as PHA resets chapter total, and then chapters can COB up to that number. Nationals can't and doesn't dictate a chapter's COB or their membership selection.

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by: Huh?   

KKG had their nationals tell them to take more members. No one cares about PHA

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by: sure   

KKG can take more members up to Total. They can't take more than that, NPC rule, so yeah they do care about PHA. And their national can have a policy that the chapter can't opt out of COB if they are under Total and they have to make an effort, but they can't dictate WHO they take or MAKE the chapter take someone they don't want just to fill a spot, and they can't MAKE someone accept a COB bid.

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Yes, chapters can COB on bid day if they are under Campus Total. Those bids are typically referred to as "snap bids." Campus Total is set immediately after PMs submit their cards. Reruitment officers and advisors find out what Quota will be prior to bid day as well as Total.

By: Knows
by: Knows too   

Not quite. Snap bids and COB are two different things.

Snaps can only go to pnm's who participated in recruitment and they are only used to get a house up to Quota when they didn't hit that during bid matching. Snaps are never used to get a house up to Total. Snaps begin before bids are distributed and end when bids are opened. Pnm's have a certain amount of time to accept or decline a snap because the chapter needs to know.

After bids are distributed, chapters can COB if they didn't hit Quota or if they are under Total. A COB can go to anyone who qualifies for sorority membership, unlike a Snap that can only go to pnm's who were in recruitment. A chapter can COB up to Quota if they didn't make it during bid matching or snap bidding, and can also COB to get to Total if they are under.

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The amount of misinformation on this post is wild…. Zeta took 97. They were one of the only 2 chapters on campus who did not need to participate in COB on bid day. The other chapter was Pi Phi. The rest of the chapters on campus decided to potentially COB to campus total.

By: PHA
by: GreekMUfrat   

Yes Zeta didn’t have to because they just took 95 pledges in the spring Bruh!!! Don’t act like it is because they are on top, it’s because they lost so many in spring they just took a whole dang class of 100 pledges 5 months ago!

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