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Am I the only person who has a problem with the COB process? As we can see from the interest on this website, lots of girls are interested in pledging in spring. And while fall rush is extremely organized and has strict rules and regulations that even the playing field, COB-ing is more about who you know. I'm in a house that isn't COB-ing, but my heart goes out to the girls who have expressed interest, contacted the people they are supposed to contact and have done everything right, and still they haven't heard from prospective houses. It seems to me Panhel could do a much better job of lending some rhyme and reason to this process. It simply isn't fair to keep these girls guessing, just because they "don't know" the right people.

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This thread needs to be buried. It's clear that both the bottom tier and top tier girls are just being petty to each other for no reason and nothing productive is happening from this.

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It can be told that something positive is indeed coming out of this thread. As of this afternoon Panhellenic reps will be interviewing houses that COB and determining whether these allegations are true. It was determined that potential new members have the right to honest and timely communication about their COB status. And I think Panhell is right to look into this. The procedure is blatantly unfair and some houses are really abusing the situation. I never thought I would say this, but thank God for GreekRank.

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Well if you are going to take down The COB process, might as well start attacking the formal process too. It's even more unfair than cob. I mean, some girls have friends or sisters in houses before they rush and so they know what to wear and what to say, and come in with numerous recs. but what about those poor girls who know nothing about Greek life? Or any of our houses? The horror that they have an unfair advantage! They'll slip through the cracks and may not end up in a house at all!! How unfair!! And then when they try to cob but made no effort to make necessary connections like the girls who had the advantage in formal rush did, they go and and it on the system!! The horror!!! What ever shall we do!?

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by: Thank God   

To Actually: that is indeed good news. However, Panhellenic reps interviewing houses that are COBing about COBing is like the IRS auditing it's own taxes, or "Congressional probes" into Congressional wrongdoing. Perhaps some of the girls on this thread who never heard back from a sorority/ies should email Panhell themselves.
And finally, the courtesy of a response isn't a dismantling of the entire COB process. To be fair, the COB process IS informal, but as my grandma taught me, "informal" doesn't mean "casual".

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by: Word   

You wanna talk about PNMs being treated fairly? Then let's talk about the Fall Rush process because when I rushed, I was hardly treated like a human being in some houses. A few things I had happen when I rushed in the Fall include, but are not limited too...

- Getting asked how much money my parents made
- Getting pestered to answer how much my parents made when I refused to answer
- Getting hot seated (Two actives talking to one PNM and grilling her)
- Got promised bids in two houses (Neither I cared about but still)

The process of getting into a house is unfair, across the board. But if you wanna dismantle COB, then let's follow through and start punishing houses that abuse the process in the Fall as well.

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The difference, Word, is that you got to meet people, see the house and be asked those questions that you didn't want to answer. The way COB works is that people who are interested in a house don't necessarily get that chance, or even the courtesy of a reply to an email. I am firmly convinced that the houses COBing do it because they are used to getting the dregs of the people going through rush and they, for once, like having some power. All I can say is it is far better to go through fall rush, even as a sophomore, than deal with COBing with loser houses.

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Yeah, I'm convinced you're not even in a house. You clearly got cut from a COB house and you've decided to come on here and vent about the prices, which if fine I guess. But you're clearly sour about not being considered good enough. The simple fact is nobody in a top tier house cares what bottom tier houses are doing and don't give a damn about the COB process. You're being very transparent and I think you should stop.

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Enough already, do you have any proof discrimination is NOT happening. When rush chairmen get to pick and choose based on emails they can choose whomever they want. How do we know they aren't just choosing the little white girls? That's the problem with this system: when not everyone is considered discrimination can indeed be a problem. And if they aren't discriminating in some way, why do they prefer to keep things so secretive? I am in a house that doesn't COB, but I have a high school friend who lives in the dorm (a year younger) who is black and sent emails to three houses that she heard would be participating in COBing. To date, she has heard from no one. Is it discrimination? YOU be the judge.

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This person is obviously just stretching to latch on to anything that may give her some leverage to take it up to PHA. But again, as it's been mentioned numerous times already, there are reasons to why the system is the way it is and reasons to why this way works. There are much bigger problems in Greek life to deal with than just getting your feelings hurt bc you didn't get an apology letter for not getting a bid. At this point, you're just embarrassing yourself bc we know you're not Greek you're just a lousy GDI trying to disturb our system bc you got cut. Stop giving this lunatic the time of day, obviously she has nothing better to do than spend all her time on a website trying to get her revenge on Greek life.

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I cannot even believe race is being brought into this. As a black woman who COB'd last Spring I can tell you right now that my race was never an issue when trying to COB. Maybe your friend wasn't qualified enough to be greek. And I'm not sure if you've seen the houses that COB but here's a nice little observation I've made...

- Mizzou Greek Life is mostly affluent white girls
- The most racially diverse houses I've seen are considered bottom tier
- Bottom tier houses COB more than other houses

So I'm unsure how you can look at a house that has mixed races and backgrounds and claim your friend was cut just because she was black. Maybe your friend just sucks.

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Honestly I COB'd but am very aware of the politics behind going Greek in general. Whether it's rush or COB'ing. a lot of Greek Life has to do with who you know. It's just the way it is. And honestly life is no different. People with connections usually get ahead, that's just the way it is. Now that isn't to say that there aren't LOTS of girls who Rush/COB completely on their own (neither with legacies or recs) and still end up exactly where they want to be whether it's a top, middle, or bottom tier house. (Yes ladies, not everyone is interested in being top tier.. Some girls actually do care more about being Greek than just the label!) It is easier when you know people, but that's just life. It's easier to get a job if someone who works there can vouch for your abilities, character, etc. Same goes for rush or COB'ing. But that should not discourage anyone… Often times it is easy to tell whether someone is being genuine, legacy or not. If you seem like you'd fit in and you're what the chapter is looking for, you have a good chance. I'm just saying it isn't fool proof and always fair, but honestly what is in life anyways? Just my thought!

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EXACTLY. Sorry you are heartbroken from a house that cut you during COB but life's not fair and you can't just go around blaming and pointing fingers just because you didn't get your way. There are much bigger problems out there and 1 person trying to take revenge on Greek life seems really insignificant compared to much bigger problems in Greek life. Plus, you can talk to PHA until you're blue in the face, but everyone knows the rush process won't change bc there's just no way to make everyone happy. All you can do is forgive and move on. Throwing a fit about not getting a "sorry we didn't want you" email is extremely naive and immature. You're in college, start acting like it.

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Why is not accepting rudeness and bad manners naive and immature? College is a time to start making a difference in the world. Why not start with rush?

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by: YES   

I'd also like to point out that when you get into the real world and start putting your resume out there, you will not get emails back if people aren't interested. They'll ignore you. So start getting used to it.

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If you think the the world around you revolves around fairness and courtesy it's time you wake up from your dream and get a reality check. I completely agree with "YES" and "yep!" When was the last time you applied for a job and never heard anything back? All the time! It is YOUR responsibility to follow up- not there's. Rush is the same way. Don't wait for life to happen, it'll just pass you by!

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I COBed Aphi, AXO, and ADPi a couple years ago. I got bids to axo and adpi, but not to aphi. Aphi sent me an email saying that their cob process was over and they accepted ## girls. A girl down the hall in my dorm cobed axo and aphi and got an email from both houses saying the same thing. I'm not sure where this "no courtesy email" is coming from but I've never heard a problem with it, at least for the houses mentioned. Maybe there are other houses that didn't give a notice, or maybe it didn't just happen this year?

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Personally speaking for my house, we had every girl who was interested in joining us submit their GPA along with their info and any woman who met our grade cut offs got open invitations to several low-key activities throughout the week in order to meet sisters. We did a mini recruitment and then had a preference night where we narrowed the field and paired girls one on one to see if the fit was good.

We rushed about ninety rushed and took about thirty.

And I'm in a bottom tier house. Like, actual bottom tier and I'll admit that.

I'm unsure what about the way we did things in considered unfair. Any girl who met out GPA recruitment was invited to come to any of our open events and in my opinion it worked very well and we got a great PC.

Whoever is accusing the bottom tier of trying to be jerks and act important doesn't know what she's talking about because the other two bottom tier houses do it the same way we do. The houses that actually COB "unfairly" are AXO and APhi and honestly, I would COB the same way they do if we only needed six or so girls. Why put together an entire mini recruitment if you know what you want and only need to fill five spots?

We do what we do because we needed to fill more spots and a house like AXO takes the word of initiated sisters because COB isn't as big a deal for them.

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There are very very few houses that do not participate in COB. Aside from those couple houses and the bottom tier houses that need more girls like mentioned above, all the other houses do "quiet" COBing. GPhi, APhi, AXO, KD, ADPi, DG, ZTA, etc. - all of those houses COB and only accept a handful of girls. Some of the houses listed do not necessarily need more girls to fill their house, but are required to COB because their nationals make them (ADPi and AXO i know for sure). Anyways, my argument is the COB process is just as fair as fall recruitment. Some girls come in knowing everything about greek life, they already have friends or older sisters vouching for them inside. Some girls go through and know absolutely nothing and come in with no recs at all. Houses that look at recs already "target" the girls they want when they walk through the door. Same thing in COB. An initiate gives the house her friend's name and the house does research before hand to see if she's a good fit (grades, involvement, etc). The only difference between COB and formal rush is the fact that in formal you're trying to fill an entire 80+ girl pc, and in COB there may only be a few spots. In order to save time and energy it just makes sense for a chapter to go by "word of mouth" instead of interviewing hundreds of girls. I would be extremely intimidated knowing that there were 100 girls rushing and only 3 spots. Can you imagine the amount of hopefuls getting their hearts broken?

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