mizzou advisors

Agreed. By the way, is there any concept more ignorant than pomping? Lets make our pledges (yes, not all, but the vast majority of pomping is done by pledges) spend hours of time over many weeks sitting down and dipping colored tissue into goo then sticking it on to some boards. Is this college or kindergarten?? And if you don't get your required hours in then you will be fined or worse. Yes, people, pomping is considered to be that crucial of an activity that you can be fined and penalized for not doing enough of it each fall.

He wasn't a marginal student, and it was Engineering.

One advisor making a recommendation for one student isn't exactly a big trend. Sounds like it might have been pretty good advice considering how difficult engineering is. What exactly is it that we "shouldn't stand for"?

Advisors are paid to advise. Greek life isn't for everyone and it's irresponsible to draw conclusions from one example. Plus, dropout rates and failure rates are bad enough among Mizzou fraternities, and those rates are MUCH HIGHER than among sorority women. I fail to see why you would want men to pledge and live in the house when it may not be in their best interest. Now, if IFC and the men in fraternities here decide to do something about their dismal gpa, it might be a different story. The most recent grades, however, show 2/3rds of fraternity gpa's falling below the all-university average. And that's just awful. I hope this guy takes his advisor's advice, frankly.

"antidotal evidence"? MizGreek has some studying to do.

Idk bout Mizzou but statistics show Greek members have a higher percentage of graduating college and higher GPAs.

Of course they do. They usually come from upper middle class to upper class families where education is a priority and getting a college degree is the norm. They also come from the suburbs or parts of town where the schools are far better than average. All of this points to success in college. It has little to do with being in a sorority or fraternity.

I stand by the statistics I listed. Unless, of course, you are saying men are inherently more stupid than women. It is an embarrassment that two-thirds of fraternities have a gpa that is below the all-university average. I am an officer in a well-respected sorority, but I told my brother not to pledge a frat until his sophomore year because he wouldn't get much help academically in a fraternity freshman year. He wants to be an accountant so grades count and it was my recommendation that he make his study skills a priority, not drinking cheap beer and drooling over women. And if you think my perception is skewed, I assure you it is based on experience. If you don't like the perception, do something about it and make grades a priority for your fraternity.

Grades aren't an issue in my fraternity. We are consistently top 10. But that's not the discussion. It sounds like you have issues...

The statistics are the facts. You can stand by your statistics all you want, but you are not comparing like populations. I didn't say men are more stupid than women, I said that their GPA was lower. Anyone can make their own conclusions as to why that is. But the truth is, and this is very consistent, Greek GPA is, men or women, statistically is better than those that don't go Greek. That's a fact. The university has no basis for telling freshmen their grades will suffer in a Greek House.

You're right. The statistics are the facts. And statistically a 3.05 gpa is really shtty. You may have lower standards because you are male, but it's still godawful. And are you really being boastful about the gpa for new members? It's 2.98 for gods sake. TWO POINT NINE EIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

So 2.761 is worse, correct. Which is the all freshmen male average when you factor in non Greek Gpa's. I honestly don't know what you're arguing. Can the GPAs be better? Sure. But it is clear that Greek males on average do better than non Greek males (same with females as well). My argument is that the university has no basis in fact by recommending students avoid Greek life. Other than they have empty dorms to fill.

Also, keep in mind averages are always lower. Having an average GPA above 3.0 is good. If you have 3 4.0 and a guy drops a 2.0 on you, your avg drops to 3.5. It doesn't take much to kill your Gpa at a fraternity, the population is significantly less than Sororities. That's just math.

Averages are always lower? What are you talking about. Averages are averages. Sometimes they are lower, sometimes they are highter. I understand grades aren't a priority for you, but there no need to broadcast your ignorance.

Mizgreek, are you really boasting that the fraternity gpa is (slightly) above the all-school male gpa? Really? consider the demographic. the typical frat boy comes from a middle class to upper-middle class home in a suburb of St. Louis or Kansas City or Chicago, where the schools are very good and where they are surrounded by like-minded students who also will be going to college. The typical non-Greek male comes from the city (or even inner-city) or small towns where he may or may not be surrounded by students who are college material. He likely has a job while at Mizzou and earns his beer money himself instgead of having mommy and daddy deposit the money in his account. Talk about apples and oranges.

If you are going to comment on this site, at least don't make sht up. Freshman aren't even in the Journalism School. You have to have 60 credit hours before you are officially admitted. So, nice try. But there is no way going through recruitment would prevent a student from excelling in the journalism program since he/she isn't even admitted until a junior. Here's another idea. Get off this site if you 1) don't go to school here and 2) don't know what you are talking about.

Freshman can still talk to advisors in the specific school they are interested in. I was interested in the business school and talked to one of the advisors even though you don't get into business school or any school until you're a junior (usually). I just wanted to hear about the requirements, how competitive the program is, ect. My friend did the same her freshman year at MSU. She was interested in the nursing program even though you don't get accepted into the program until going into your junior year but when picking a major some people think it's important to hear what they need to do so they can make sure this is the path they want to take and make sure they meet the requirements.