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So what. It's not for a scholarship or an honor society, an internship or salary. Sororities are social clubs and the club members pick who they like, and they like girls they already know. Join one that wants you or not at all.

The “what” is that Panhellenic has a set of rules you are supposed to follow. Atlanta parents are one thing but if the alleged AGD party happened with actives - that’s pretty bad.

I saw the same post and just wondered if the pre-party pref night wasn’t just PNMs who all know that they have in’s pre-partying (i.e. little sisters, chapter legacies, etc) Still cringy, but not against the rules.

So what? It’s bid-promising if even the parents know what sorority their daughter is getting into before bid day. And it takes time to order the sorority gear, so they must have known way in advance. Nothing against choosing your friends over strangers, there’s just less classless ways to do it. But obviously, PM doesn’t care. Their rep has crashed from where it used to be.

RFM practically guarantees you get your first choice, so they prob told their moms how they ranked....not unheard of

@but

That is very optimistic. Not everyone gets their first choice, and the parents posted the night before bid day, so it have taken more time than between pref round and bid day to order and receive Phi Mu gear…. it was fixed and bid promised way in advance.

Everyone concerned was an idiot but it worked out the way they were hoping so they weren't embarrassed.

Disagree. First, no proof of whatever parents you are talking about, unlike an actual name in the OP. But, even if it happened, a bunch of parents in gear were probably also in that house and knew legacies were going there at that point. Totally different from a PNM at a party with actives before bid day.

I think a bigger question should be why was there a party there that night where pnms could even attend?

I’m OP of the comment you replied to.

There was a party because the PNMs assumed they’d be going to AGD. AGD had nothing to do with setting it up and not all of the girls who went to that party went AGD. Is it lame? Yes but it’s not like the AGDs orchestrated it.

@OP, this did not affect me because I am an active in a different house, but there should not have been any party with any pnms whether actives were present or not. The fact that pnms had the confidence to roll up on the AGD house pre bid day is odd. It is a bad look.

The party wasn’t at the AGD house, it was a bunch of girls praying in Tut. No actives, not every girl got in, and AGD didn’t arrange it.

We did update recruitment, honey.

That's how the first round is now the videos instead of you having to go to every single house for what used to be called 'Ice Water Teas'. The first releases have always been decided before the first round and now you don't have to "waste time" going to houses where you "have zero chance".

That's also how the second round is now not clogged up with legacies that "have zero chance". Their mandatory invitation to the first round is a thing of the past for almost every sorority, so they don't "waste time" as well, and many more spots are now freed up for the PNM's that a sorority is actually interested in. Maybe one like you. If you are invited back to Philanthropy and/or Sisterhood, it's because a sorority is still looking at you for possible membership, and not feeding you a "line of bull". You will find out if you have a further chance by your schedule for the next round. That's the way they let you know.

And that's also how there aren't three Prefs anymore, because a third one was "a line of bull" for all concerned, and how there is Quota Plus to make sure that you won't end up without a bid after Prefs. A strictly rigid Quota and cross-cutting were real things that happened and there were no guarantees at all before Quota Plus, but now you are guaranteed a bid if you rank both your houses. An invitation to Pref only goes to PNM's that a sorority wants to extend bids to and the PNM's choices actually count in the membership selection.

This is how you aren't going to "waste time" like others used to, but as a PNM you have no idea what your chances are at a house. Ask any sorority member who didn't know a soul and got her first choice, or any who just knew where they were getting their bid but ended up shocked, for good or bad. You are in no position to decide on behalf of the sororities where you have a chance any more than a single sorority member or a handful of them can make a decision for an entire chapter.

Not getting exactly your way during recruitment is not panhellenic's fault or mean that recruitment is in "the dark ages". Your chances for a great recruitment have never, ever, been better.

15 Atlanta girls…. All in the same friend group and their parents are friends… “borrow” phi mu gear and post it the night before? They knew. It’s so obvious the moms are involved and we’re told.

Still, it’s a better outcome than the poor PNM who was bid-promised by KD, showed to bid day with KD written on her skin, and then wound up not getting in.

There is a TON of behind the scenes dirty rushing in OR, these are just the few you hear about.

there are so many houses at bama, is it really just the old row houses where a pnm needs connections to get a bid or is it the same for the more desirable new row houses too?

@pnm, don't worry. You can and will receive a bid if you follow the rules and maximize your opportunities. Rarely does a pnm not receive a bid.
This is talk about some of the shady things that do go on in sorority life.