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Alpha Gam- 15
Phi Mu- 17
Alpha Chi- 21
GPhi- 23
Tri Delt- 24
AOPi- 28
Kappa- 28
KD- 29
DG- 30
Phi Phi- 33
Theta- 34
Chi O- 36
Zeta- 62
DZ- 74
ADPi- 92
Alpha Phi - 209


Obviously there are a given amount of girls who graduate early and a couple who drop, it’s pretty obvious which houses have issues that go beyond just the normal amount of girls you lose each semester

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This need to stay front page news because it is the only objective info out there. Facts are facts. Girls need to see which houses has Em dropping like flies and stay away because that is an indicator of an unhealthy house.

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I wonder why this thread keeps getting bumped. Obviously a bias.

So Alpha Phi for instance. Is returning to recruitment with approximately 200+ members. This is plenty fill the house and do all activities. On most campuses this would be a thriving number.

So Alpha Phi is returning will all the members who pay on time, active in the chapter, get the better grades, the most devoted and committed among them. How is this a bad thing? In reality this group appears to be returning for this academic year with their strongest members.

pnm - Judge for yourself during recruitment.

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At many other campuses, a 200 member house would be great, but our new houses are built to support 400+ member chapters and, unfortunately, our large houses have large house payments. Aphi and the three other houses that lost a lot of members will be under a lot of pressure to take giant pledge classes in order to keep dues the same. If not successful in this, then already high dues will have to go up or the social calendar will have to be cut. So PNMs have two things to worry about when considering the four houses that lost a lot of members 1)How much will these houses compromise their membetship standards in order to get the big pledge classes they need to comfortably afford their houses (making fellow Pref attendees really important to consider) and 2) If not successful in getting the pledges they need, how will that impact dues and social life? Those two unknowns alone might scare off the very PNMs they really need. Not much of a win either way.

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Smart comment. Good points

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The new houses are built to house approximately 65 members. I think Phi Mu's new house was built for 68 to live in.

In reality - none of the houses originally anticipated 400+ members in total.

Much of the fees are the food plans. Those are flexible and generated on a per member basis.

The only thing I agree with above is that everyone should look around at preference to see who was invited back to the various houses.

There are too many alums on this site. Grow up.

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@ no win

None of the houses were built to support 400+ and your theory about dues and giant pledge classes is sorta misinformed.

The numbers are how many left after fall semester, and don't include all that graduated after spring for any of the chapters. I'm sure Aphi will pledge as many as they want or need.

Retention is a thing though and these numbers probably say a lot about selectivity by chapters during recruitment. The numbers on extreme ends probably also say a lot about chapter stability and cohesiveness.

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I just talked to a DZ and she told me their dues skyrocketed. Probably because of the new house

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Houses are not supported by just those who live in the house. Everyones dues contains a facility payment piece that goes toward paying for the house. Those that live in the house just pay more. Yes there are flexible expenses like meals, and to a degree housekeeping and kitchen staffing can be cut, but there are also large fixed costs that are spread over the whole membership. If those costs are spread over less girls, each will have to pay more.

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First they were posting about the four houses that lost twice as many, if not more, than all the other houses. Every house looses members each semester, but we all can see there is a big difference between most houses and the four who lost the most. If they are not able to get large PC then, even if taking housing costs out of the picture, there are still social costs that have less members to spread over. Don't see how dues or socials will not be impacted if they don't fill those spots.

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The financial projections for paying for these houses were never dependent on having 400+ members. More like 250 - 275 members.


Membership will be replenished from recruitment. Aphi can pledge up to chapter total if they wish.

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The houses at bama have cost projections based on 60-70 living in the house and approximately 250 total members. No one "needs" 400+ members. The houses have grown that large to accommodate the numbers of pnm who sign up for recruitment. \n\n\n\n\n

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^^^ Exactly.

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Look at house cost data - or is almost reverse in there of cost versus these retention numbers.

Plus something doesn’t add.

Each house gets about 135 new pnms in recruitment.

If everyone “stayed” four years houses would be 540 members. Yet house run about 400 actives.

Just not sure how this is accounted for in these numbers. \n\n\n\n\n

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If houses take 540 members over four years and average loss was around 20-25 per year, as someone pointed out earlier, then would have approx 440 members over four years...half the houses have around 450 members.

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The numbers in the OP are losses after the fall semester and do not reflect losses over the year with graduations in May.

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If a house takes in 135 members each year , it has to lose135 members to stay the same size. It takes more than losing 30, as if that’s all they lost they’d be growing quickly by adding 135.

If the adds were permanent no one dropped or transferwd, the losses would be through graduation. The goal of being in college! And graduations would be equal to the new class size to keep things the same at about 135.

People do graduate after fall. So it’s hard to tell what these numbers really mean.

The repeat posts EVERYDAY show an agenda and trying to tell a story from this that isn’t necessaraliyl accurate, but promotes a good story for some house. \n\n\n\n\n

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also have to take into account that chapters with more out of state girls have a higher number of transfers due to people who are just homesick/ didn't realize what a out of state college experience would be like

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No sure about how the four houses with drops calculate dues. In our house, we can only charge dues to cover budgeted expenses for the year and are not allowed to charge our membership more than this or carry large reserve accounts. If we have excess funding at the end of the year we have to send to national. In our house, dues has to go up per person if we have fewer members.

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Just looking at how many members each house "lost" is not all you need to know because some chapters are much larger than others. These are the numbers from the fall 2017 grade report

Largest Houses
Chi O-489
ADPi-482
APhi-482

Smallest Houses
DZ-348
DDD-434
ZTA-435

So yes the three LARGEST houses and two of the smallest lost the most members. APhi lost 43% but ADPi only lost 19%, and DZ lost 21%. So while it may look like ADPi lost more girls they actually lost less than DZ as a percentage of their members. They still have more members than ZTA with the losses too, ZTA would have 373 and ADPi with 390.

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APhi only has the largest numbers right after rush in the fall because they have to pledge so many to replenish the losses from spring. After the fall semester their numbers always lose a ton so they have to COB and then pledge huge numbers the next fall.


Look at the new member numbers on the fall grade reports.

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Man I bet those 489 girls are tight!

Same with the 348!!!!

This all seems much about nothing.

All large and stable.

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