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by: Curious PNM

Are there any plans to remodel some of the sorority houses with more beds now that Greek life is getting so much larger at A&M? From the websites that I've read it looks like capacity is around 45-50 for each house but with last year's pledge class at 90 girls that won't be enough for girls who want to live in-house. I know Zeta rebuilt recently so maybe they won't again, but are other sororities thinking of adding wings and additions so more girls will have the chance to live in-house? I'm would be really looking forward to it!

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#11  by: SEC   
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Auburn and Tennessee have new sorority housing, Ole Miss chapters have had to expand, remodel for large pledge classes

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#12  by: I think   
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As the only SEC school in Texas it would be amazing for A&M to be known as THE Greek university in Texas. So many Texas girls go to Alabama/Arkansas/Ole Miss for their Greek Life and it would be great if they could stay here. UT's Greek Life is waaaaaaaay too exclusive for most girls and A&M's academics are far superior to Tech, Texas State, Sam Houston, or U of H. A new Sorority Row or "sorority village" if you will will attract a lot of girls.

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#13  by: eyes are rolling   
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Yall live in a total dream world. Do you realize how many MILLIONS of dollars have been put into the 12 houses we have now, let alone the MILLIONS of dollars we collective spend on them annually? Come back down to reality a bit and think about how unhappy alum would be if TAMU came in and made us "sell" our houses to frats who don't have any money (I'm not debating that either, if they did, they would have all already built mega mansions by now). It would never ever happen, not in a million years. If you're picking TAMU vs. another SEC school, solely based on a Greek System, then by all means, go there. We want fun but at the end of the day we are there for academics. Ole Miss and Bama are way easier to get into than TAMU. Plus, what's the University going to benefit from sponsoring a sorority row on campus when we already have a functioning one? Not a darn thing other than more liability.

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by: PleaseMay 5, 2015 10:09:53 PM

Lady, have you been actually reading what's been said? Have you actually talked to A&M girls about this issue? Yes building new houses would cost millions but by that logic Arkansas, Alabama, and other schools shouldn't be expanding either and just keep whatever their first house was for ever and ever. Many of the houses here are OLD and have issues with their foundation like Zeta had which is why they had to essentially evacuate their house and rebuilt immediately. These houses will eventually be torn down so why not build in a larger lot?

Also A&M wouldn't be "telling" sororities anything. Because you obviously never bothered to read, the land and house are privately owned. Nationals and the chapter can move unilaterally to build wherever and whenever they want. There are whispers of some houses talking about remodeling but I'd tell them to wait and save up for a mega expansion. Traffic on Monday nights is already a mess. Our sorority row was not built for this kind of success.

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by: LololololololMay 6, 2015 1:15:05 AM

Lady? Thanks for the insults but yea, I'm a graduating senior who has spent plenty of time with local alum at house meetings so I feel as though I understand how it works better than the average chapter member and am fully aware they're privatley owned (lol, that's like telling me the sky is blue). Alabama built the majority of the new houses on the same exact OLD LOTS that the OLD houses were on. They did not move across campus. They're right where they've always been at the stadium. Only 4 houses moved locations and one was DG who was new to campus. Same thing with SMU. They all tore down and rebuilt but again, they're university owned. www.uafacilities.ua.edu/planning/information/2012%20Master%2 0Plan%20Update/Amendment%201%20Sorority%20Expansion%20Master %20Plan.pdf

If you understand that these houses are essentially run like businesses then you would darn well know that if the university stepped in to finance a new project, that is essentially telling the current house corporations to sell their existing properties. Do you think they would keep the old and the new? Probably not. Why? $$$. I'm not saying the university would mandate them sell but you know all 12 would have to move or none at all for it to be successful. And while it is exciting that Greek life is growing at A&M, you have to remember the student body is too. Only 12.5% of our student population is greek, which isn't too far from the 10% it was a few years ago. Bama is about 33%. Big difference.

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by: SoMay 6, 2015 1:57:26 AM

1. Then I'm assuming you made a mistake when you wrote "what's the University going to benefit from sponsoring a sorority row on campus." On campus. That's the opposite of privately owned, just so you know.
2. It doesn't matter if Alabama rebuilds on old land. They still have to acquire land from the houses adjacent to build bigger. Also, the largest capital expenditure is the house itself, and the entire thing is being torn down and rebuilt. How is that different than A&M? Yeah houses would move but sell the old land and buy new land. It's College Station, land's cheap.
3. Of course if the sororities would build in a new location they would have to sell their old place. No one here is even imagining keeping the old house. Sure some sororities will be house-less during the rebuild but if it's well planned and done incrementally like Alabama then it shouldn't be a problem.
4. I don't think you're getting what we're saying. We're not saying just a few sororities move. We're saying all of them move to a new location. All 12 moving wouldn't be an issue.
5. What's the importance of Greek Life as a percentage of the student body? The issue with the houses deals with real numbers. The houses don't house 10% of the student body, they house 50. It does not matter what the percentage is if the real numbers keep rising. When you were a freshman, your PC numbers were in the 50s. By next year they'll be in the 100s. It's a numbers problem, and you're too blind to see it.

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by: How are people this dumb?May 6, 2015 8:20:43 AM

Yes, let's tear down and move 12 perfectly good houses (ok except for Chi-O and ADPi) and rebuild them somewhere else. Good luck getting nationals for all 12 chapters to agree to this. In 20 years when we run into the same problem as the current sorority row, we can just do it again. I agree with the senior girl. For the love of God, count your blessings and be glad we even have houses all in one location.

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by: @ soMay 6, 2015 10:08:12 AM

Your ignorance is so cute! and you get so emotional about this. It's just conversation, so take a deep breath and calm yourself. You're comparing our privately owned situation to a university owned(bama). I'm saying the University would never get into greek housing here because they'll make no money at it. At the end of the day, TAMU is a business, and though they're state owned, they look to make as much $ as possible. When 33% of your student body is Greek, they're able to make more $ than when it's at 10-12%. Plus, they're more likely to bring way more revenue by building a new building to hold a new department or research center that brings in millions of dollars of grants a year.

So then your argument changed. If the University's not going to fund it or give us the land, then the private corporations would and that's when I say good luck doing that and it definitely "would be an issue". Sure, there's land beyond what the University owns beyond west campus, but I'll tell you, if I was a land owner and 12 sororities came knocking at my door wanting to purchase my land, my price tag would all of a sudden quadruple. You're talking an easy $10Mil/house, at which, it's just much easier to renovate or add on to your existing structure for $2-3Mil. xoxo, senior girl

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by: @Senior GirlMay 6, 2015 11:42:46 AM

I'm not So but I don't think she's wrong here or over emotional. She made good points and made sure to number them so it's easier to understand. Neither you nor the poster above you addressed the problem at hand. Anyone at A&M can tell you that we will have a numbers problem, but how do we fix it? Like someone previously said, you can't just make the houses bigger because you'd have to add more parking which we don't have. That would probably be the easiest way but we can't. Invite a new chapter to colonize? Probably won't happen soon with the situation with ADPi as it is. It seems like y'all's solution is to do nothing forever and just be "grateful" that we have a sorority row at all, nevermind that our Greek system is well on its way to being the largest in the state. So senior girl it looks like your biggest issue is cost. But that's what Nationals are for, and that's why we plan ahead for years. It's not like anyone is proposing knocking down the buildings tomorrow or anything.

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#14  by: It's an issue   
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This is an issue that really needs a long term solution. iF there is a continual increase in recruitment numbers and pledge classes, NONE of the current houses are large enough to hold chapter meetings. Each sorority at A&M better have a long range plan to expand or work together to build a new sorority area in west campus.

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#15  by: problem   
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If you have seen the new houses built at Arkansas (AOPi) and KKG's enormous expansion, then you would realize A&M sorority row is going to be too small for the future chapter sizes. The Arkansas houses were all built with funding from their own organizations, not the school. Most of the houses at Ole Miss have been expanded/renovated to accomodate their large pledge classes.

Why would A&M support a new sorority row on west campus? competition for female students, image of the university, and demand from a united CPC.

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#16  by: idea   
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Another option is for everyone to just get more selective. Sorry, I know that's not what current "policy" is, but how much sisterhood can there be when you've got 400 sisters? And then the houses. If I was a housing alum, I'm not sure I'd be so crazy to invest millions in a house when an economic downturn could happen, parents lose their jobs and no one wants to rush anymore. Seems like an unsound business decision to expand so much when you're a nonprofit.

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by: Won't happenMay 8, 2015 10:15:45 AM

That's probably the least likely of all the options. For one thing, our Panhellenic attends SEC meetings now and most have a policy of "you go to pref, you get a bid." Also more girls = more money, and like you said, it's a business decision. And you know Nationals of all 12 will be pressuring A&M Panhellenic to keep numbers as high as possible for this very reason. While it'd be great to have more sisterhood, that's even more of a dream than building a new row would be. Indiana University is a prime example of exclusivity and a glance at their Greekrank page and Greekchat topics and you can see how well that's going. I can't think of any school in the country willingly making their rush more exclusive, can you? I don't know what sorority you are in (I'm assuming you're in one) but all I can say is I'm sorry that yours does not support you. I can only speak for myself but the explosive growth in numbers these past few years has attracted the attention of our Nationals, and they and our own alumnae are very supportive of expansion plans and are giving us tons of aid to see that growth continues.

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#17  by: who sets quota?   
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panhellenic sets quota, and they control the pledge class size based upon NPC policy.

I agree that the quota should be lower, should not have upperclassman sophomore quota - this would help ADPi get stronger.

But - the NPC wants as many girls placed in sororities as go through and that puts pressure on TAMU CPC to comply.

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