How do quotas work for new members?
by: nmI heard that all the house's new member quotas were 75. I also heard that the process is run on a computer program. So how is a house able to give more spots than quota? I heard PBP had 82 pledges. That's great for them but how does that happen? If the house has 120 women going into pref round (just a guess) then wouldn't just 75 get bids? Also, what happens if someone only has one house in preference round? Is getting a bid based on high you are on their list? Can someone with only one house not get a bid? I heard if you had two houses going into pref round you a guaranteed a bid. It's so confusing. I have been reading that some women did not get bids. If it is run by a computer program that does not make sense.
#1 by: ?
OMG. I was thinking the same thing. It doesn't make sense if you divide the PNMs by the houses then I would think that is how you determine quota. Of course, not everyone may be happy with their bid and become a member. I guess maybe it's because houses can drop us which makes our list smaller. If two houses (A and B)are basically vying for the same girls, what happens if a lot of girls choose A over B. Does house A get all of those girls since they picked them 1st?
Commentby: tcuOct 1, 2020 11:58:15 PM
Thanks for explaining it. I know rush is over but it felt like a big magic act where you can't see what is happening behind the curtains.
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#2 by: um
by: Im: You Are DumbOct 4, 2020 3:31:44 PM
Before you go posting stuff making you look like an idiot, get the facts. (Note: A two minute Google search would answer this).
I will clarify this to avoid confusion by anyone reading Um's post, as I don't think much will clear up her ignorance (and apparent bitterness) at this point.
Under the RFM system, once a girl makes it to pref round, she is guaranteed a bid.
Example: Patty PNM only gets one pref invite, to ZTA (only as an example). Patty is GUARANTEED a bid at ZTA, even if she is the very last girl on the ZTA bid list. If quota is 70, and she is ranked below that, she is a "quota addition." This is not a snap bid.
Patty PNM gets invited to pref at ZTA and KKG. She lists KKG first, ZTA second (again, examples). Quota is 70. Patty is 59 on bid list. Welcome to KKG Patty! But if Patty is 89 on KKG (and 70 girls ranked higher than Patti list KKG #1), and ZTA has Patti as #24, welcome to ZTA Patti!
The only way Patti does not get a bid: She gets invited to ZTA and KKG for pref, but she ONLY ranks ZTA. Quota is 70. Patti is #89 on list. No bid for Patti.
Snap bids are for girls who got dropped before pref, usually. Patti gets cut by her last houses before pref. It appears formal recruitment is over for Patti. Howevet, after the computer runs the rankings by the houses and the PNMs, DG misses quota by 2 girls. Before bid day, they can call Patti and offer her a bid. Note: This does not happen a lot.
Finally, a girl can be a "quota addition" if she PREFS two houses, but does not make the bid cutoff for either. That will be the house that ranked her higher (if I remember correctly).
The bottom line is that RMF requires chapters to cut based on previous returns. A lot of good girls get cut.
I hope that helps. It took me a while to better understand the RMF process, but it works.
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by: umOct 4, 2020 4:03:49 PM
I have no bitterness, I was just expressing my confusion with the process. I don't see how asking for "clarity" made me look like an idiot or ignorant. I really was just hoping for some clarity. My assumptions were just that assumptions. I heard the people on GR could be mean spirited but attacking someone just for asking questions seems a little over the top.
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by: wowOct 4, 2020 4:43:13 PM
If anyone looks like an idiot it is you. Why lash out at what cleary is a new member asking a question. You apparently are the one who is ignorant.
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#3 by: Frog
For more clarity you should google NPC Release Figure Methodology.
Some girls will drop out after pref, and some will only list one choice instead of two after pref. Either of those options might lead to a girl not receiving a bid. If a girl maximized ALL of her options and never released a sorority unless she was required to, she should have been given one of her two houses from pref. Because of that rule, some houses had to go over quota to insure that those girls who maximized ALL options during rush received a bid on bid day.
by: tcuOct 1, 2020 11:59:39 PM
by: thkOct 2, 2020 2:44:08 AM
by: uh?Oct 2, 2020 7:55:52 PM
Sorry, one more question. Do houses ever go over quota as a house? Not just the PC. Alos does that affect rush the following year? So let's say a house has 230 members and the chapter quota is 200. What if they only lose 10 people due to graduation, dropping out, etc. Does that mean they can rush again in the fall and get potentially get another 60-75 women? Is there no limit on how big the chapters could be?
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by: yesOct 2, 2020 8:33:57 PM
I was thinking the same thing. Then you could have a house with like 300 people compared to much smaller houses. I guess that would open up more COB bidding. I, myself, do not prefer to go through formal recruitment and much rather do COB. Looking at it for the spring. I just contacted Panhellenic today and let them know.
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#4 by: Frog
Total is the allowable chapter size as determined by the College Panhellenic, and it includes both new and initiated members. This number is considered the ideal size for each sorority and is the same for each sorority. The only time you are ever allowed to recruit beyond that number is during formal recruitment.
"So let's say a house has 230 members and the chapter TOTAL is 200. What if they only lose 10 people due to graduation, dropping out, etc. Does that mean they can rush again in the fall and get potentially get another 60-75 women?"
The only way a house can ever recruit and actually go OVER the total number is during formal recruitment. So in the scenario you list above (though highly improbable) - yes, that sorority could recruit a full pledge class (quota) during formal recruitment - even if it put their house way above total. If many houses were way above total, TCU Panhellenic would adjust total and make it higher or work to bring new sororities to TCU because the houses were becoming too large.
by: tcuOct 4, 2020 1:56:36 AM
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by: FrogOct 1, 2020 11:50:16 PM
If House A and House B had the exact same 100 girls attending a party, and all 100 girls chose House A first and put House B second, then House A would take the 50 girls that House A wanted on their first list, and the other 50 girls would get their second choice in House B.
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