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final advice to freshmen

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genuine advice: stop stressing so much. you'll be fine. if you're choosing between any of the following (in no specific order):

Theos, castle, hall, sae, owls, delt, zete, zbt, apes

then in terms of your social life the difference will be completely negligible for the most part. it is absolutely insane that some frats spend god knows how long here and other places trying to gaslight rushes otherwise. setting the facts straight:

1) They can all throw downtown and have on campus themed events. And they all collaborate with each other to do so, and each have their "signature" semester parties (Theos woodsr, castle mg, zete brunch, apes deck, skibt, sae homecoming darty). the frequency varies from year to year but it always happens.

2) sorority "relations" (as weird as it is to brag about us on here as an "asset," don't get me started) are mostly bs. they do their own date nights more and more now, 80% of hookups happen outside of date nights, and there's insane overlap outside of organized mixers regardless.

3) "getting in" to other parties isn't even that big of a deal either. Trust me, your friends won't suddenly stop talking to you and getting you in places if one of you goes to hall and the other chooses delt. I've seen Theos guys get left out in the cold while "T2" frat dudes are escorted in the back because they're actually friends.

4) don't bother listening to brothers that tell you about "career connections" either as if that's unique. we're at Penn. literally everyone here has career connections. Fiji doesn't even make my list of "T2 and above" (so the top 3 points don't apply to them) but even they're known for academics and ec opportunities.

in summary: don't listen to posts here telling you that there's any real difference in the quality of your social life between hall, delt, apes, owls, zbt and friends. Castle and Theos are the only two with some perceivable difference but that evaporates completely by junior year.

I have so many friends that, in private, express their regrets with choosing a frat because greekrank said they were "T1" or "T1.5" instead of "T2." go with your friends instead.

Posted By: actual sorority senior
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Perfectly put

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Perfect, true, all well said. I also know guys who regret their “t1” choices (and others who don’t). There’s a lot of gaslighting on gr. Go with your vibe guys.

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by: Loool   

Hall has to be regretful

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by: nope   

^^^ actually a couple theos. But you’re awfully jelly of hall, little guy. Try not to let it bother you so much.

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by: huh    

we must know the same theos who regret it from 2025

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Take SAE out

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I agree

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by: yup   

Why ?

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by: Ye   

Mid asf

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by: Ur a hater   

Boys that go SAE usually crossrush & get bids from others on this list. They also are part of friend groups that go to other frats on the list. They obvi belong

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by: jeezus   

perfect example of someone way too invested in the bs. grow up

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by: rofel   

why say that?

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Long message but yeah just join where you vibe with the guys and the energy the most. College is supposed to be about meeting the homies, not clout chasing. Also this is an Ivy League- there's a bunch more to it then spending 100% time with ur frat brothers so if you're not lame you'll probably branch out and hop around social stuff ur junior and senior year.

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totally

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by: 100%   

Couldn't agree more

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by: 100%   

Couldn't agree more

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Your crew matters - not the name, if you join w friends you like you will have a great time whatever the frat

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100%

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by: Yea   

This ^

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Needed to hear this

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Couldn't agree more

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Finally a post with common sense and logic. Wayyyy too easy to get sucked into the Greek life vacuum of constant comparison and clout chasing. Really one of the dumbest things on Penn's campus unless you can enjoy Greek life while not taking it too seriously.

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preach

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by: Fr   

Greek rank is so toxic and for what

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insecure boys mostly

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by: true    

so true

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now do one for srats

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do one for srats!

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