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I'm seeing a lot of the issues on here that we experienced with variable quota. People are mad they are facing so many cuts, chapters are mad they are cutting more girls faster, people are blaming certain chapters or Panhellenic for changes, and PNMs are already talking about dropping or being unhappy with their choices. I don't know who wrote this but I found it very informative and a good perspective on hurt feelings. Not everything will apply because your rush is still happening and our page was COVERED with upset alums and moms who had daughters cut. Our PNMs also weren't told about the quota so they were very confused. But here it is anyway. I hope everyone takes the time to read it and really consider the points this person made. The OP said they were a senior in a top house at MSU.

I have a lot of feelings about this past rush. It was brutal on both sides because we were made to release more girls than normal. However, everyone's PCs were ~pretty much~ the same size as last year, OR LARGER. Read: MORE girls got bids this year than last year, they didn't have to accept but they were offered. All I've read on here since the end of pref has absolutely crushed me. I want to be really clear. I know what it feels like to get cut from houses. And I know what it feels like to cut girls that you love and cry and fight your own sisters over it. I am not shaming girls who are upset about how rush worked, were released, or who dropped on their own. But the attitudes some of y'all

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2) But I was kept out of my true home or place I clicked with the best in order to fill a quota. - Yes and no. Yes, certain houses invited back a smaller number of girls to parties and pref than normal, but they still pledged within 10 girls as they did last year. This is going to sound harsh, but it is reality and I only say it because some people really need a wake up call: you had just as good of a chance of getting invited back to those houses as every other girls that still had them on their list. If they didn't invite you back it is because there was someone else they invited instead. So no, this variable quota didn't keep you out of where you belonged. It sent you to where you did, how you handled that was up to you. Listen I've been there. I know how hard it is. I was cut from a top house I was a legacy at. And other houses had cut me probably because it was assumed I'd go to that legacy house. I was lucky though and ended up somewhere great, but guess what, I preffed there and ADPi. I was so upset when it came down to that and that I had been cut from others. But there was a 50/50 chance of being in the house I am and ADPi, and I was prepared to run there and be the happiest new member I could. I found things I loved about them, and it's infuriating that some of you aren't doing the same. Every house ranked the girls they preffed. If you ranked ADPi, or any house for that matter, second and got them on bid day it's because you were not high enough on the other houses

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for that matter, second and got them on bid day it's because you were not high enough on the other houses list. It sucks at first, I know, because it wasn't what you wanted. But you are - not - better - than - to - be - a - part - of - any - sorority - on - this -campus. Those girls put on their letters every day, love each other, compete in every event, host awesome philanthropy events, and work hard. You don't see all the good parts of a sorority after spending 5 days there for a total of maybe 4 hours. And if you feel you don't belong in the house you got a bid to because you are better than them, then I genuinely feel bad for you and you do not deserve to be Greek. You are not better than anyone. I am not better than anyone. My sorority is not better than any other. We are all different, and everyone has different things to offer, but that does not make us better. That is a sad attitude to have, and every sorority here deserves members that don't think they are better than those letters.

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5) Call the president. Call nationals. File lawsuits. Alums are pissed. - People get upset every rush. This is on a new level. Girls getting cut or released all together is heartbreaking and I cried over them. But causing this much trouble over something out of any of our control is just damaging. Guess what? We need this greek system to get strong. We want it to. Yeah it was harder to cut a few more girls than normal, but at the end of the day the houses that had to cut more girls than normal still pledged about the same as last year. Rush is competitive, and no one deserved anything. You know what we do deserve though? Girls that want to be here. PNMs that ecstatic to get any bid because it's hard to and every chapter is strong with something to offer. Another chapter to grow our system. For girls to be supportive of one another, and other chapters, because they understand if one of us improves we all do. It must be devastating for the amazing members of ADPi, or Zeta, or whoever, to have to read some these comments from girls that barely know them but have decided all of these things about them already. And all you're doing is saying the worst thing in the world right now is you/your daughter/the girl you wrote a rec for/whoever having to join a house you think you/they are better than, and that's terrible.

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6) To the girls in a house they didn't want but are trying to stick it out - GOOD FOR YOU. Seriously. You're my favorite person in the world because you understand everything doesn't always go your way and that every house has something to offer. You stick with it honey because you can be the change in that chapter. Some days are going to be hard. Sometimes you're going to feel awkward. You're going to meet some girls you don't like or just don't click with. That's okay. Just because you share letter with someone doesn't mean you have to be best friends. There are like 200-250 or more girls in every house, I promise you won't love everyone. You can respect them, see value in them, and understand why they are in your sorority though. So don't let those off days or off girls ruin the experience. You will find girls like you and girls you can be best friends with, you will enjoy swaps and parties, you will participate on campus and in events, and you'll grow so much as a person. In a year when you have to be on the other side of rush it will all click, and you'll wonder how you didn't realize you should be there from day 1.

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And guess what, even if you pledged the house of your choice, there would still be members you don't like. You respect them because they are your sisters, but everyone isn't always your bestie. That is LIFE!!!

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7) To the girls that want to be greek right now but aren't - I'm so sorry. You did nothing wrong. Please don't ask yourself where it went wrong. There will probably houses that COB or spring rush. Even if they cut you during rush or if you cut them give them a chance. Get to know other freshmen in their PC and become friends with them. Join a couple of campus organizations and make friends there. Make sure you get good grades this semester. Remember you're lucky to get a bid anywhere and everywhere has something to offer. If you still want to be Greek when spring rush rolls around, then go for it! But remember it isn't the end all be all and does not define you or your college experience. If you decide you're okay without being Greek, then that's completely okay. But if you still want it then I hope you get it. And I hope you know you weren't just a number that we cut. You are a person and we fought over it, cried over it, and lost sleep over it. I want you to be happy, and if you have questions or want advice, just ask.

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I am a MSU student who was involved in rush this year. This post was NEVER made on our Greek Rank! Good try though! This system was hated by all! There were more girls that dropped out of rush! Also, many many many dropped their bids. Furthermore, hundreds of snap bids were issued! Do not listen to this line of garbage! It sucks and is no better than any other rush system.

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It most definitely was made on the MSU Greek rank

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YES, this post was in the MSU site!! The title is "To everyone upset" it was posted on August 15, 2016 by "Senior".

Take the time to look before posting an incorrect comment. Many of us at State have close friends who are Greek or PNMs at Ole Miss. Whoever shared this was trying to help. V

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Hundreds of snap bids...HAHAHA. If that was even true, it means that hundreds of girls are happy now and you have nothing to complain about.

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Gosh! I skimmed this post and all I read was blah blah blah. Obviously written by somebody who likes to bore people with her meaningless dribble.

Quit preaching to us! Go back to MSU and figure out why you have sororities that nobody wants to join!

Ole Miss needs to do the same.

Bottom line, girls were dropped from houses where they had family and friends. Where they were dreaming of getting bids to. All so theta and the new chapters could get more girls. NOT FAIR TO OUR PNM! Not fair to the houses that were forced to drop girls they really wanted.

i get it that the new sororities need members, but what's wrong with letting them grow at a manageable pace?

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Do you realize MSU's Chi O chapter was named one of the top 5 Chi O chapters in the country? The Ole Miss chapter was not one of the 5. MSU's DG chapter has been named THE top DG chapter 3 out of the past 6 years over the Ole Miss DG chapter?

Someone offered advice. Good advice and you down another Greek system?

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You do realize that Ole Miss has several sororities that no one wants to join. All you have to do is "skim" this site to see it. And it seems to be the same sororities, post after post. And the sororities you claim that no one wants to join at MSU happen to be the new ones on campus as well.

Taken from your post, "I get it that the new sororities need members, but what's wrong with letting them grow at a manageable pace"? I guess the same can be said for the new sororities at MSU.

GET OVER YOURSELF!

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goodness! We are Ole Miss! We don't care about the MSU sororities!
Get off our site! You girls started this whole mess with variable quotas, and some misguided soul in our panhellenic office pushed your bad decisions off on us.

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@Ech

MSU did not invent variable quota and absolutely did not push it off on Ole Miss. It has been used across the country to help smaller chapters. University of Georgia has been using it for several years and University of Arkansas used it this year for the first time as well.

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UGA does not use variable quota. We set a different number of PNMs for each chapter that they are encouraged (not forced) 59 invite back each round based on their numbers the previous years. However after pref round, Panhellenic sets a number for quota that is the same for every house. The only think that varies is that top houses have to make more cuts early on and bottom houses have to make more cuts at the end, but everyone has the same quota in the end so chapter/pledge class size doesn't vary much between chapters. That system has its downsides as well though because top chapters can essentially cut everyone they don't want early on while bottom houses are stuck all with the leftovers and have to pref 300-400 PNMs (our quota is around 70). So the top houses stay top and the bottom houses can't improve because all the good PNMs don't have to go to the bottom tier houses by philanthropy or pref round. Moral of the story, there is no perfect solution for recruitment and each systems has its strenghts and weaknesses.

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Yes, that post was long, but worth a read bc it was filled with GOOD ADVICE for PNM's and ACTIVES. I'm a junior active in a "top" house here and I've experienced rush both ways- last year the way it has been for a long time, and this year using this variable quota system. Here's the deal: this year we were just forced to make our cuts earlier, but in the end we are going to end up with just slightly less girls then last year. We didn't want to do this- oh, yeah, we see ya'll. There are SO many amazing, beautiful, smart girls, and we want to keep you all! We fall "in love" with girls each round, and we wish we could have pledge classes of 200 girls, but we can't. It sucks bc its only gonna hurt us in the end- because the other sororities will get a lot of the girls we wanted, and after a few years of this, we have will have way more competition. In the past we would just hold onto these girls, knowing deep down that we were gonna have to eventually let them go, and then finally have to do bigger cuts later. Good luck to all of you and please try and hang in there!

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Through all the hysteria, there are some very valid points here.

If you're left with a schedule of Phi Mu, Kappa, Pi Phi, AOPi, then yes, maybe you would have been in a top house without variable quota.

If you're left with like, two houses, then no, you wouldn't have been top either way. That may sound harsh but it's true.

As for legacies/connections, look. I'm in a top house here and I'm so fed up with alumnae barging in and pressuring, manipulating, blackmailing, and in many cases forcing their top picks in our classes over the girls we actually want. This year, while we've had to drop some of our favorites, we also could get rid of a lot of the girls our alumnae force on us every year.

"The girl was dreaming of being in your chapter her whole life", yes, and we who are actually, you know, IN the chapter have been dreaming about our cousin, or our best friend from church being our sister. Not a random girl whose grandmother was in our house decades ago. Will I want my own daughter to be in my sorority one day? Yes, that would be nice. But more importantly I'll want her to be in a house where the girls were DYING for her to be a part of, where she can make her own friends and have her own memories. I'll already be close to my daughter, same sorority or not. Let the girls make their own decisions and stop feeling entitled for your relatives, or even worse, girls who are your friend's daughters!

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