variable quotas for top tier

So who will have the lowest quota's? Chi O, Tri Delt and KD?

Hearing in the 80's...All three want to get smaller

They will all be pretty similar. Chi o historically takes more quota additions than the other two. They are also more loyal to their legacies than the other two as well. Kd has no problem slashing legacies and alumni favorites!

Chi O and Tri Delt will have at least a 100 or more legacies come through.

I think it's sad and unfair to force a third of the girls going through rush into low performing or new houses.

I get the fact that all these houses have something to offer, and that they hope to make the houses better by doing this, but honestly, it's not fair.

Theta has problems. We can't sugar coat this! Something in their structure and traditions has gone wrong, but forcing girls into that sorority that don't want to be there is wrong.

The new houses have promise, but lack tradition. Most girls don't want to start new traditions when we want to belong to the others. We didn't chose ole miss over a new school. We chose ole miss for the traditions that a new school wouldn't have.

After reading the message from unfair, I had to respond. Do you want Theta to leave campus? Do you not want the new groups to be successful? Because Theta having to close down and the new groups not succeeding; that will solve the problems of how big our groups are getting. Seriously, why is it assumed that everyone that doesn't get into a "top" group would have a bad experience? There are people who actually like and wanted to be with these groups but then second guess themselves because all of the bad mouthing. It is time Ole Miss sororities learned to support each other. A strong system is a benefit to all of us.

I'm all for theta getting better. I just don't want to be a part of the struggle.

I love the idea a more sororities, I just don't want to join a sorority without the history on campus.

I'm sure there are girls who want this, but not all of us do and it just doesn't sit well with many of us who feel we are being forced into something.

I wouldn't say the new sororities lack tradition, it's not like they're locals here, every sorority has 100s of years of tradition whether they're new to campus or not

I want to make sure I understand the thought that we should just shut down all the struggling chapters and bring in new ones. So does that mean that all the Chi-O chapters that are struggling should be shut down...and KD...and Tri-Delt, and Phi Mu, etc. Every group has struggling chapters. How naive are you? It is so expensive to bring a new chapter onto a campus, and beyond cost, so extremely hard. And the people you say the lower tier pledge, where do you think they are going to go if they are not going into the "top" chapters? As someone else said, just because a chapter does not have "traditions" at Ole Miss, doesn't mean they don't have traditions. Some have 125+ years of traditions. The world is bigger than Mississippi ladies.

No, I don't think struggling chapters should close down. I think strugggling chapters need to work to help themselves.

I don't think variable quotas are fair to all chapters or fair to all PNM's.

One quota for all chapters. If theta can't make quota, they need to figure it out. Without forcing girls to accept bids because the chapters they fit better in had to cut them.

Variable quotas help struggling chapters. It shouldn't be the responsibility of everyone else to fix their problems.

Will houses like DG have to take 150? Kappa? 150

Xo has more members than the other chapters. Ddd, kd, DG, phi mu, kappa, phi phi, and adpi are all within roughly 20 members of each other.

The super large quotas will go to adpi, theta and aphi. The rest will all be pretty close to each other.

Exactly!!!

Forcing girls to join struggling sororities is not the way we should be doing things!

It's no secret that adpi is already doing better than theta. The more sororities we get in campus the better. Get rid of the struggling ones in favor of stronger newer ones. Let's see how aphi does this year. Invite other sororities to come.

Let's strengthen our Greek system by getting rid of the ones that can't retain or gain new members.

Also, if we want a stronger Greek system, we need to up our gpa requirement. Let's get more girls who are self motivated and less who simply join the Greek system to have a place to party until they turn 21.

1) you're mental to say anyone would be forced to join a struggling sorority, our "worst" sorority holds one of the most successful events on campus every year - if that's the kinda struggle they're dealing with it can't be that bad

Are you talking about Theta Encore? The event that every single sorority participates in to help Theta?

The truly sad part is that every sorority comes out to support Theta, but when other sororities have philanthropy events, they are missing! I've never seen a single Theta show up for any event my sorority has hosted.

Wonder why that is?

Also, with the way Derby Days went down last year and everybody complaining that sororities shouldn't force their members to participate in events, I wonder what would become of Theta Encore if sorority members had the option of not participating.

First semester freshman year is hard enough without the overwhelming hours we spend practicing!

exactly. everyone needs to stop getting their hopes up

IMO variable quota will force the largest legacy heavy chapters to release more legacies than usual. I think there will be a lot of upset moms and PNM legacies after recruitment.

THB I don't agree with this I think its going to hurt Jackson girls. They are way too many of them and they all want to be in top tiers and not enough spots. If the quote for the top tiers are 100 they can't take as many Jackson girls as they did in the past. Also each city/state depending on the sorority has a limit of the girls they can take from each town. The Jackson area is considered to be Jackson, Ridgeland, Madison,Brandon, Ect. its not just Jackson. Those are a lot of girls I have a feeling their are going to be a lot of hurt feelings on bid day for the Jackson girl.

One of the existing sororities not considered 'TOP' by the archaic standard (born in Jackson, Memphis, legacies, daughters of mom's friends--yawn) should wake up and decide to be the BEST with OOS! I mean, there are a boatload of OOS PNMs who are smart, gorgeous, personable, philanthropic and come from states like Illinois, California, New York, and Missouri, with resumes boasting 4.0+ GPAs and 30+ ACT scores. Why? Aside from the beauty of the campus, SEC, etc., UM gives TONS of scholarship money to these elite PNMs to balance out the low end applicants it accepts. Which sorority is going to decide to be 'TOP' and crush it with the BEST OOS PNMs available? Right now, these sororities are getting the southern leftovers that your 'TOP' three passed on.

I'm a DG here but have the bid list from a family member at the MSU chapter. Of the 81 girls pledged only 12 were from Jackson and the surrounding areas. In case you were wondering, the breakdown is:
Prep: 4
JA: 3
Madison/MRA: 2
Brandon: 2
East Rankin: 1

But the thing is, 12 out of 81 girls? That's 15% of a pledge class at a large state school from one city. That's not normal.

I'm a Chi O at State. You are way off on your Jackson legacy comment. Our New Member class is much more diverse than what you describe.

77 New Members
13 from Jackson, Rankin Co, and Madison Co
24 out of state (various states and towns not just Memphis or Birmingham areas)
40 members from various towns in Mississippi

Recruitment was extremely difficult and making bigger cuts than usual was not fun at all. You can't stick with friends or legacies. You have to try to get the best new members.

No that's actually about what we would aim for. 10-15% from Jackson, 5-15% from Memphis, 30-40% OOS, and the rest other places in MS. Can't speak for everyone, but I think that's ROUGHLY what the "traditional MS houses" here and at MSU would aim for.

Here's the deal. Eight of our sororities are all within 20 members of each other. Two of those eight participate in spring informal recruitment to help their numbers. None of the eight are struggling.

If the remaining three, two are new.

I hear you that 100 girls is enough, but do you have any idea what will happen to the struggling chapters if they take 200 girls each????? I'll tell you, mass chaos! Aphi lacks any sort of history on campus and adpi has only a few years under their belt. I honestly question whether such inexperience can succfully navigate a 200 member pledge class.

I see no harm in allowing new chapters to grow naturally without inflating their numbers overnight.

Just food for thought.

If 100 is plenty for an existing established chapter, 100 should be enough for a growing chapter.

Variable quota is not the answer. It's a way for top chapters to become even more exclusive and bottom chapters to implode.

Not at all this is so wrong. We know who we want and most of them are our friends or family members. Definitely all PNMs with an in house sister will get a bid though.

If every in house legacies get bid,how many bids are left ? So, mainly legacies are taking all the spots this year.

We can choose whether we want to take a chapter legacy or not, they aren't for sure guaranteed a bid this year because of variable quota. If they are really weird and their mom isn't an advisor and there is a great girl we want we will choose her over the chapter legacy. The only girls guaranteed bids are in house sisters. There are about 15 all together, which isn't that much in a pledge class of under 130. We have to take all girls who have sisters in house because their sister is actually a member right now and that would be a bigger upset than if we cut a weird socially awkward chapter legacy. You are confusing chapter legacies and in house sisters.