sororities on the comeup?

Aphi gave out snap bids from bid day all the way until initiation...

They were Never rock bottom. They were always below ADPi but above KD.

They stopped taking so many legacies so they had room for higher quality/ attractive girls. Once they got a few highland park and Memorial girls in their mix, they were able to gain traction over the years.

They swap with ZETA, ChiO and DDD regularly and even take a few girls from PKT, the ones that really just want a more down to earth experience. that’s where APhi comes in. They have actives that are close friends w/ Pi Phi in particular.

I personally have never seen such a turnaround in Greek life like this one (except when a chapter is out right closed down and then started over again ).

Forgot to add that they never used to be hanging with Fiji, SAE, Sig Ep, KS or Sigma Chi. APhi is all over those fraternities now. Kinda amazing actually when you recall they used to be on par with Lambda back in the day.

Doesn’t matter about the last comment, the only 2 fraternities worth mentioning in that list is sig Ep and Fiji, all the others are falling hard (SAE oops I mean Texas rho) or are mid tier and
Not top 3 (KS, sigma chi). Once they get all over top 3 (Fiji, sigep, and KA) then we can talk about them climbing... oh and also adpi is by far worse then they. But I will say they are climbing from what they used to be but they still got a ways to go.

Alpha phi and KA are overstating a bit....

Alpha phi is not running with Fiji, SAE, or Sig Ep for sure

KA is maybe going to move up into a better spot as Rho falls but it isn’t a for sure thing. Rho is still mixing with Theta for sure with a smattering of a Kappas and Pii Phis at the moment. Not sure what will happen when the 37 ACC boys in their pledge class have to leave Austin bc they can’t get into UT. Kappas are really hanging with Fiji’s mainly but do appear to be liking KA more than in the past couple of years. Sig Ep and KA are definitely going to both gain a bit more prestige as Rho falls though.

Definitely a time of subtle changes.....

TPK mixes with and dates FIJI, SigEp, KS, KA.
DDD mixes with and dates RHo, Sig Ep, ZBT, SX.
APHi does not mix with but dates a few FIJIs here and there. They do mix with and have girls regularly dating Rho, ZBT, KS, SX, KA, Delt.

Theta mainly Rho and a some Fiji
Kappa mainly Fiji and some Rho a few Sig Ep and Tiny bit of KA and KS
Pi phi-current pledge class not much anywhere honestly
Chi o, Zeta -Sig Ep, ZBT, kA,
Rest kind of do with everyone a bit Sig Ep down

she said that alpha phi was below ADPi, relax! I don’t think I’m as old as you because I rushed 8 years ago but my aunt was Greek here when gamma phi Beta was here and they, along with AXi D were rock bottom. KD was so new and bottom tier as well.

Alpha phi may not be taking as many legacies and maybe that has helped them but I think they’re just going after the attractive girls, too. I know that the out-of-state girls from California always want to go Alpha Phi because of their West Coast reputation. That’s why the better fraternities like them now because they’re “hot.”, whatever that means. I think they’re just party girls that get really wild.

Chi O , Tri delt, and Zeta to a certain extent drop all the girls they think are for sure going PKT day one (girls with a legacy or strong connection might not get cut). Well, PKT can only take about 150 freshmen so a lot of top girls who everyone thought were going PKT end up dropped by big six completely and Alpha phi is scooping them up. It is a bloodbath in Hardin as girls start losing PKT bc so many girls there loose Chi O, Tri delt, and Zeta day 1. Many literally go from having PKT day 2 and maybe just one of those day 3 to Alpha phi and down for pref. Alpha Phi is scoring some really pretty social girls that way. Their conversations during rush are much closer to big 6 than any of the others.

So we hear how Alpha Phi rocketed up but I want to hear how ADPi and DG dropped to their current states. What happened to them?

DG started dropping years ago before alpha phis ascent.

Honestly, I think they were going after the quirky nerdy girls at the expense of the attractive ones and that really hurt them. freshman want to see an attractive group to strive for and a lot of them are not preffing DG.

It is a very different school than it used to be. Tons of really social people who used to get in would not be able to any more. The dynamic has completely changed....lots more girls whose strengths are that they are sweet and smart instead of pretty and social are rushing. So the conversations after Big six and Alpha Phi are decidedly different from those seven. It has created a much bigger divide. I think it is really sad that we are trying to compare and rank the chapters. The ones considered “bottom” like DG and KD just have different strengths. Most of the girls in DG and KD would hate the priorities and morals of some of the “top” chapters honestly. Theta is considered one of top bc they are hot and social.....but they are also wild. Pi phi is considered top also but both of these two chapters are near the bottom for grades. They both have great girls but very different vibe from DG or KD for example. What is considered “top” has just not kept up with the changes in the UT population. Our ranking system really hurts our Greek life! We need to recognize that girls fit in different spots and that is great. Our very diverse population should be reflected and respected in Greek life as well.

And just for the record, I am in one of the ones considered “ top” but I sincerely like girls in every chapter where I know them. Different strengths!

I think you’re right but I think we all understand that every single chapter is great! Even SDT. That chapter is filled with neat, caring, smart girls. They may not get a full group every year because most girls rushing want the typical sorority experience which SDT may not necessarily give but every single house at UT is filled with Girls that go on to grad school, have fun in their own way, are social amongst their peers, have varied outside interests, travel, care about school, etc. not just the top seven chapters. All of the houses have a different vibe for sure, you just have to find the spot where you sit. Because the “popular” chapters can only take so many girls, the pnms will naturally filter down.

Generic.

Not true, ChiO competes with PKT...be quiet

Tri Delt, Zeta, and AXO all compete.
APhi gets their leftovers.

They don’t even try. They drop girls they think are for sure going PKT day 1. Kappa competes some bc they branch out of Hardin more. But no one picks Chi O over Kappa.

Maybe some years AXO competes. This year there was a noticeable change in conversations between big 6 and alpha phi and then the rest.

Don’t really think it is covering up. PKT are competing for the same girls. One of them almost always comes up short or at least gets a weaker class. This year Kappa really did well pref night so Theta lost girls to them and only had 40 girls pref them but they were girls Theta really wanted and Pi phi lost plenty of girls to Kappa and Theta also but got lots of good ones. Pi phi had TONS of legacies going through who did end up preffing them which helped them get good girls. Pi phi and Theta both ended up with 65 and Kappa had 68 by bid night. Next year Pi phi might be the top one. The year Kappa had to snap a few was a great year for Theta. When you have to make as hard a cuts as those three do and are rushing same girls, it just works out that someone doesn’t do as well. Happens every year.

The problem with this post is that Pocahontas doesn't "get" the value of snap-bidding and so is still stuck on the idea that there is a NEED to cover it up.

She's not alone. A lot of people on this board hurl accusations of snap-bidding and COBing around like it's an insult to do this. Smart chapters know it is an essential tool for retaining your competitive edge, not a weakness.
Do you really think PiPhi utilizes snap bids by scanning the campus for the closest random loner they can find and slapping Pi Phi letters on her?? Hardly! If they are snap bidding, I guarantee you they are using their connections to reach out to a fabulous girl whom they overlooked during the process. Rush stats aren't perfect and PKT have to drop a crap-ton of girls on the first day and throughout each round until they are down to juuuuust enough girls to fill a pledge class on pref with only a few left over. They are playing a guessing game just like the PNMs are about who they can get and sometimes they misread a girl's cues or another chapter wins her over and they come up one short of quota. They don't have that many at pref to start with!

Sure, they can survive with one slot "open" if they want to...but why would they want to when they can easily find a quality member who wants to fill that dues-paying vacancy right away? I know you'd like it to mean more than it does about their status. But it doesn't.