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aopi shutting down?

by: yell

Has anyone heard that AOPi Michigan is shutting down? I heard from a friend at another school (who is president of panhel) that they heard various rumors that AOPi national isn't happy with all the negative press from Michigan AOPi and that they were pulling the charter. Has anyone heard anything about this? We need all the houses we have and I can't believe this could happen.

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#11  by: ..   
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Their dues are unreal, they did say they were lowering them, but TBH the rent for the house is whats driving them up so much so they might lose the house if they do or have zero budget for other things.

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by: GuestMar 13, 2017 5:45:19 PM

They need to cut the juice/coffee open bar. Mangoes and acai aren't cheap.

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by: in aoiiMar 13, 2017 8:42:39 PM

there is no juice or coffee bar, the house doesn't even have a working kitchen still because of renovations

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by: to @..Mar 24, 2017 5:53:20 PM

Didn't someone mention the house is only temporarily leased? So they know already the house will be 'lost' after a certain time frame?

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#12  by: yep   
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Sounds like there is something strange about this story. Why would a national sign off on a long term lease if the membership dues/revenues couldn't support the operation unless they were willing to step in and support the operation until it was self sustaining? Maybe this is why the rumor started about 'pulling the plug' as the national wasn't willing to stand behind the new chapter. Does anyone know how long the lease is in place for? Trying to figure out if the national is going to cut and run and assign the lease to another organization. Think somebody should call the national to figure out how much financial support to expect. Awful feeling to have that the rug could be pulled from under you at any time.

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by: GuestMar 13, 2017 8:32:04 PM

It is a 1-year lease.

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by: mmMar 13, 2017 8:39:21 PM

i was in aoii and i was told the lease was multi year, they have it for 3 at least before it's up for negotiation. either way all the girls felt scammed, we had no money for any of our activities or committees, but were paying through the nose to be in it. i feel taken advantage of completely

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#13  by: wow   
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I hope the sisters are able to band together to turn this financial situation around and that the national doesn't shut them down. Wish you guys the best!

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by: to @wowMar 24, 2017 5:57:36 PM

Just stop with the aopi bashing. Apparently your precious NPC group isn't colonizing and you're way too bu++hurt to see the AOPi situation straight. Maybe if the nicer members of your org ask in the future your group can come here and colonize/recolonize. Until then, play panhellenically.

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#14  by: dues   
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Weren't you told about the dues when you went through the recruitment process with AOII? Didn't they give you that info upfront? How did girls not know how expensive it was?

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by: dues responseMar 15, 2017 11:58:18 AM

we were told they would be lowered as we gained more members which wasn't actually true and we were told not to worry because when we were initiated we could vote to lower the dues--basically completely untrue as the dues that were the biggest portion of our cost was set by our nationals and we had no control over it, and we were also told that they were middle of the road for michigan so we didn't realize this was a blatant lie. we were the most expensive sorority to be in this year by like 1000 dollars. we also were not told about outside costs that would be incurred in conjunction with these dues

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by: ...Mar 15, 2017 4:37:10 PM

The dues given to us in the beginning were not the same.. we were told we would have months that were expensive but others would barely cost anything. Now they have a new sheet and anytime members complain they say it's been the same the entire time. They also told us that or dues were in line with what other Greek life was paying which was completely false. Honestly they were just trying to get girls through initiation so they felt obligated to pay. I feel really bad for the girls who dropped after because of expenses, they roped them into either paying ridiculous dues or not being apart of Greek life.

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#15  by: panhelllllll   
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No due diligence was done by our wonderful panhel on the AOII national so they effectively set the chapter up to fail. PNMs went through recruitment thinking that the entire situation had been vetted and it doesn't appear that was the case AT ALL. Why has there been NO statement from Panhel on what is going on? If this chapter fails it hurts our entire system. But, what is worse is that these poor sisters seems to have been sold a bill of goods with zero oversite from Panhel or the adminstration. I truly feel sorry for these ladies as they deserved better from their school.

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by: was @ extension mtgMar 14, 2017 2:01:01 PM

At no point when the organizations were pitching themselves to Panhel were dues discussed. Not by AOII, not by GPhi, not by KD.

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by: yesMar 16, 2017 11:31:26 PM

Why wasn't money and financing discussed??? Weren't you tasked with doing due diligence? How did you know that the NPC organization was committed to our school and the success of the chapter if you didn't talk about MONEY???? I feel so completely sorry for these people that joined a house because it was supported by panhel and now it turns out panhel didn't do any due diligence on the financials and the extent of the commitment from the national? Who was your advisor? AOPII opens on average 6 houses a year and is simply rolling the dice with very little risk (also known as NO SKIN IN THE GAME) and low financial commitment to any individual chapter. I honestly think the poor ladies that joined AOPII should ask Michigan panhel to reimburse them for the excessive dues and other fees that the national imposed. Entire financial situation sounds totally shady to me and I wonder why nobody has either sued the national or michigan panhel for misrepresentation of material financial facts. If this situation were a street game it would be the traditional shell game. Shame on Michigan panhel for letting this happen to these ladies that joined in good faith. They depended on you to do your job and you obviously DID NOT!!!!!!!!!!!

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by: @yesMar 17, 2017 2:39:57 PM

That meeting was in 2013/14. None of the houses (with the exception of Gamma Phi) had any idea what their housing would look like if we were to invite them to join Panhel. Even if we had asked those questions, they couldn't have given us a number.

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by: loveMar 26, 2017 7:12:46 PM

No panhel, including Michigan's, ever brings a group to campus without going through proper procedures. NPC makes sure any campus goes about their choice in the proper manner as well. AOPi would not come here unprepared. If they fail it may be the unfair bad press you foist upon them here, for your own purely personal reasons.

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#16  by: $$$   
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What are the live out dues for AOII? What are the live in dues? What are those same dues for other organizations on campus (can anyone give specific examples)? I am thinking about joining but have absolutely nothing to compare it to. I would like to see a list of all sororities dues for comparison. Not that I am joining a sorority based upon how much it is but it would be nice to be able to be prepared before. thank you

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by: checkMar 15, 2017 11:47:16 AM

I think this info used to be on the panhel site for each of the chapters. I just checked but couldn't find it. Will go to the wayback and see if it is archived someplace. I've seen the info someplace...might have been in written form at time of recruitment. If I find it I will post it. You are smart to do research as joining is expensive and houses have different rules for living in/out and associated expenses. Makes difference to know what you are getting into financially.

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by: LolMar 15, 2017 4:40:03 PM

Out of house is almost 4 grand a year, in house its 10,000 to live in the house and probs another 2 grand for the year. Other houses are paying less than 2,000 live out expenses.

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#17  by: info   
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h t t p s : // greeklife . umich. edu/ article/ panhel-financial-and-housing-information

Here is financial info link for 2016-17...for some strange reason all the houses are listed except AOII...will keep looking to see if I find anything. To follow the link just delete the spaces and paste into browser. The spreadsheets aren't very detailed for in house expenses...for example my house is $9,000 a year to live in (which is correct) but we get a breakdown of that total vs on the panhel website the $9,000 is listed as a lump sum with no breakdown. Hope this helps to understand how AOII stacks up vs some of the other houses. I hope the AOII sisters figure their financial situation out.

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#18  by: info   
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This info is from the panhel website:

What does it cost to join a sorority?

The average cost the first year is $1,765 (2014-2015). The first year is higher than subsequent years due to one-time costs. View financial information for each chapter.

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#19  by: Phi   
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Phi psi loves aopi

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#20  by: confused   
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Why is panhel or the school not looking into the claims made about the dues/fees situation and why this house doesn't yet have a working kitchen? Has the national invested ANY money into this chapter or is it a total scam?

PS. Phi psi you are irrelevant.

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by: ovoMar 20, 2017 8:01:42 PM

Where else would the money come from? They leased a big house.

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by: @confusedMar 22, 2017 5:53:53 PM

Because they are bogus 'claims' made by someone on an anonymous chat board. No international sorority would come to a campus as unprepared as your whipped-up posting frenzy seems to believe.

Your needless attempt at a misinformed mob mentality to "get AOPi" is so unfair. Your bias must stem from being or having been an AOPi somewhere.

AOPis at Michigan are smart not to answer your nosy questions here because financial information is private and not for public discourse. Get a grip, the situation is out of your hands.

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by: concurMar 23, 2017 12:00:32 PM

I, too, am diligently baffled, shocked and concerned that false rumors and claims surrounding Michigan AOPi are perpetuated on this website. Thrusting one's snout into business where it does not belong and is rude and unbecoming. No one from AOPi ever need answer the intrusive inquiries bandied about on this forum.

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by: getitMar 24, 2017 9:20:27 PM

"Thrusting one's snout"

Hawt Hee-Haw hillbillies. Thanks nationals.

P.S. What's your Snap?

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by: timeMar 26, 2017 4:22:36 PM

Michigan has students to educate and their sports businesses to run. How is it there need to meddle in the individual financial affairs of any of their campus sororities? Have they done so in the past? How is it then their legal responsibility to do so now, just because YOU have an axe or two to grind?

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