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hi adpi LOL

So obvious

srry but it reflects badly on the whole greek system when u give great reasons to join almost every sorority except say one is really stuck up.......like also, it's not like girls in DG and kappa are just pretty/bubbly like they do stuff too ...... its not like they dont also do well in school and phil

Omg can we not start this again? Every sorority is awesome. And I don't mean that in a "let's be nice to everyone." I mean it in a "every sorority really is awesome and does amazing things for the UBC community and it would be great to be a part of any one of them." Yes, they all have their flaws but at the end of the day they enhance the university experience so much if it's right for you

YES ADPI FOR SURE LOL

it's an anonymous website. calm down and stop making stupid assumptions.

gamma phis are so quick to get defensive on greek rank

LOL that's the most ridiculous advice ever. If you don't get a job after graduation, it's because you didn't do enough while you were in school. Arts has co-op, worklearn, and internship programs that help you gain awesome experience. Literally everyone I know in Arts has a job and a solid plan for what they want to do after graduation, and 9 times out of 10 it's because they studied what they were passionate about.

Not really... It's pretty easy to find statistics on arts majors and the lack of money they're making. In fact, I've read statistics stating college grads are making more $ than nontechnical uni grads. Yes, there's co-op but in general even those jobs don't end up paying well. It's probably the biggest issue of our generation, we're fed this BS about choosing a program you're "passionate" about, you go through $30,000 of debt, learn zero useful skills and are lucky to find a job for $18 an hour. I know more grads who went on from UBC to complete a "post grad certificate" from college costing $20,000 a year because they felt they had no other choice. Transferring after 1 year of social sciences to complete commerce was the best decision I've ever made. If you aren't going to be able to complete co-op PLEASE don't take an arts program, literally your only way to end up mildly successful. If you're going to spread delusional BS about arts majors being just as successful as technical grads you're part of the problem...

Also, like you said the people you're speaking of are students. Life is different after you graduate, look at the facts.

I was actually speaking about friends that have already graduated with BA's and are doing really well for themselves post-graduation, as I'm in my last year at UBC.

While getting an undergraduate degree in ANYTHING is become more and more common now, you could say the exact same thing about the success of those doing Bachelor of Science or Commerce degrees. You can't really do much with a BSc unless you go into grad school because no one wants to hire undergrads for their labs, and Comm degrees are so oversaturated in the job market right now. The bottom line is that whatever you're taking, you're not going to be successful unless you work hard and get relevant experience. It's kind of laughable that you think a business degree isn't just as "worthless" as an Arts degree, as most Arts graduates end up in the same fields as those with business degrees. Literally anyone could take accounting, marketing, finance, HR, economics (and many who are in Arts take those things anyway). It's not exactly engineering or rocket science.

And yeah, duh, you can go to trade school and make a ton of money in welding or mechanics or plumbing if that's really what you want to do with your life, but not everyone wants to do that. So this is a stupid discussion to be having, in a weird place? What works or doesn't work for one person isn't the same for everyone. I and plenty of people I know are doing well with Arts degrees. You had a different experience. That's fine, move on.

Just to jump in here, my older siblings both did Arts degrees and are both making over $200, 000 a year...not that money is the most important factor, though this person seems to think so :)

Arts degrees include political science, international relations, economics, linguistics (my older sister is a speech pathologist who makes INSANE money and also gets to help little kids which is something she's really passionate about - and yeah, did an Arts degree), English (I mean, Justin Trudeau did an English BA and he's prime minister, which whether you like him or not you would have to say is pretty successful). It's such a diverse degree, you really can do what you want with it. You can go into government and policy making, you can work in public relations or communications, you can work in journalism, you can go into counselling or teaching, law...everyone has a different definition of success. Money is not the only definition, for many it's helping others, but you can also do both :)

Does that mean there are no unsuccessful Arts graduates? Of course not. but there are also unsuccessful science graduates, unsuccessful business graduates (many of those actually, when you think about the number of businesses that fail lol), unsuccessful forestry graduates..whatever. Do what you want!

Like I said, "with certain majors as an exception." Economics and pathology are more technical arts majors so I wouldn't include them in my stereotype. Justin Trudeau could've taken witchcraft in university and he would still be our prime minister haha he's a poor example since his education wasn't a factor but I'm talking your typical arts major - and it's a fact that most are struggling. I'm telling my story because a lot of 17 year olds don't get that you need to study something that leads to a legitimate career and not solely something your passionate about. And the person who's talking about her friends you specifically said "they all have plans after they graduate" so to say their post grads is clearly untrue.... Lol

Also commerce is difficult to get into however, even within the program there's a lot of useless major (marketing? Yea you're gonna end up right next to the arts majors.) Within commerce there's technical and non-technical majors and of course, technical is more likely to benefit you after university. Hard skills > soft skills, more in demand, etc. Not telling anyone what to do, I just made the mistake myself and I know I wouldn't be as successful as I am today had I not realized my "passion" wasn't going to get me a job. Also, you can develop passion for anything, I am literally obsessed with the work I do now and I agree, in any major that kind of passion and drive CAN lead to success. The problem is people who aren't actually all that passionate about history and are just going to university because that's what they're supposed to do and are guaranteed a number of jobs they can do with their major to later realize those jobs don't even exist. It happens a lot, so consider learning some hard skills, that's all my point is.

Lol you are both living in another world! Commerce is harder to get into ie you need a higher average and better resume, this is fact not opinion.
Only successful marketing grads make money - like the best of the best, as always there are outliers who don't fit the norm.
Yes OB is a bird course, one of a few we have, like I said there are majors that are soft vs hard skills within commerce, and some of our first year prereqs included some of those soft skills courses. Never said the course was hard I graduated with a 4.2.
As should every (soft skills) arts major because your courses are EASY.
Anyways I didn't come here to fight with arts students lol, I realize this news is upsetting to those of you in your 3rd/4th year realizing you've made a mistake - do your best to do co-ops and internships if you haven't already, it's not totally hopeless! For those of you going into first year just do some research on "return on investment" by major. I know it might not seem important now but with the job opportunities out there, a lot of grads are barely able to make ends meet. I've seen it happen to almost every girl I graduated hs with, it's really sad!

"What a weirdo" " If you're smart, you work hard, you use opportunities" HAHAHA useless arts majors, don't they at least teach you how to speak English?? You would think! PS: look up management science and then tell me you have a clue how "supply chain management" works, you tool! I think you proved this girls point to a T, arts majors are just losers who couldn't manage over an 80 in anything but English class! Hahahaha just accept it, everyone else has!!

For the guy that commented on my English - I'm a Science student going into med school next year, not an Arts major, so you're just being a douche.

As for Arts classes being "easy" or "soft skills" I sure as hell wouldn't want to be writing 4 25 page research papers every semester which is what every 3rd/4th year Arts major is doing. And I've yet to meet a Comm student that could manage it. But keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

Science students are just as elitist as commerce and engineers. I love how all of a sudden we have every program EXCEPT arts standing up for arts. Like yep I'm sure it's a bunch of engineers and pre med students writing novels on the importance of religion majors.

There was a 5-6% difference this year between arts and sauder, keeping in mind classes in sauder's top 6 include some STEM classes unlike arts which requires English and can be boosted up by any other class like phys-ed and careers. Also when comm students take Arts classes we consider them our bird classes and put a ton less effort. I got an A on a paper i wrote about this time I blacked out in freshman year lmao so idk can't say it's worth my effort to write a bestseller when your profs aren't too hard to please.

do u even go here? it's not a top 6, it's a top 4. and no, sauders admission does not require any stem courses but math 12. arts admissions cannot be boosted with phys ed or careers because those are not approved grade 12 courses that are applicable for admission. only science, social studies, math and language 12 courses can be used to apply. you can find the full list if you google ubc approved courses. you sound like you don't go here.

I'm in Arts and I think this discussion is a waste of time. Everyone has different interests and that's cool.

Unless you're a hermit that lives under a rock, chances are you have friends and family in a variety of majors and degrees. They all have their own challenges. I would say that comparatively, first and second year Arts classes are definitely easier than Engineering. Sauder? Eh. I saw what my friends were taking. Economics classes I took anyway through Arts. Things like OB were a joke and I was glad I didn't have to take crap like that. But now that I'm in fourth year, and I'm doing my research on terrorism, security studies, and international organizations, I know that it's something my buddies in Engineering just couldn't be doing stellar work on or doing well in, just as I couldn't be doing well in the stuff they're taking. But I'm still 100% sure that if I was in Sauder I would be doing just as well. I just didn't want to spend my degree focusing on business or finance when I could really go into depth with politics, IR, econ, and development. That's what drives me and I'm stoked to be studying it.

Sorry I'm from out of province haha Ontario students are judged off top 6, even at UBC, didn't realize that it was different for BC students but hell, that means your admissions average was based off English and your 3 best other classes (ex History, French, Law.) How easy is that?!

I'm literally doing better than ALL the people who graduated high school at same time as I did (who are not continuing on in med school) - in fact I made more $$ at my paid internship as a sophomore than any of them are making as graduates/post degree grads. HONESTLY arts majors BE SMART and make sure you're making the absolute most of your degree because you will most likely be screwed.

I'm doing better than all the people I graduated high school with as well - and I did an Arts degree. (English, and I now work for the BC government managing a huge Comms portfolio). Every internship I did in university was paid. I actually worked for Sauder through Worklearn for a year doing their social media/communications, in addition to the UBC Press, a couple of newspapers, some provincial government stuff, and then the job I have now. I'm making over 100k a year in my first job out of uni - that came from networking, making the right connections and getting experience - but it also came from being skilled with language in a way that I always got asked about in interviews. I always had to submit writing samples of my published work. That gave me an edge over the Commerce students I was competing for jobs against. I was just a better writer, and in a world where so much is language and media driven that is absolutely essential.

I was in the Greek system at UBC a couple years ago and a friend who's still at UBC sent me a link to this discussion. I thought it was pretty funny so thought I'd add my experience and practical advice for Arts majors from the other side - while you're in university, you'll get a lot of people who desperately want to think they're smarter or better because they're in a certain faculty - in reality the jobs go to the most talented people. A Sauder degree is absolutely by no means a ticket to a job at the end, as much as many would like to think.

I work for the government as well, lord knows we're both overpaid and overcompensated but I'm not complaining! Your story is a great example of how doing the right things can make you successful no matter what you major in - HOWEVER, you realize you're not the average grad right? You're doing better than your peers who graduated with the same degree (so am I actually, I don't think comm is the #1 degree my any means, I would recommend STEM courses above all.) So what I'm saying is, to incoming students, you know what kind of student you are. Make sure you have a career path in mind BEFORE choosing your major. If you went onto UBC's website - then went through programs and picked one based on their "suggested careers" you did it wrong and you better be top of your class and get a damn good internship if you want to succeed.