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can i just join a frat?

by: Half true

Seriously, formal recruitment has been so superficial and judgy. Decisions being made with 20 minute conversations and physical appearance. I want to be a part of Greek life but don't know if I can do it in this system. This is not my environment. I wish women had informal fall recruitment for everyone where we could truly get to know each other.

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#1  by: anon   
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then drop and try COB

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#2  by: You could but...   
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you will still be a part of the formal recruitment pageant next year as a new member.

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#3  by: //////   
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i totally feel this

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#4  by: Actually   
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Spring is the closest you will get to informal "fraternity rush." Only a fraction of the houses participate, but if you're a cute freshman with a good personality you will have a much better say on where you end up in the spring.

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by: eeeeeSep 5, 2015 8:16:46 PM

the only hard part about spring rush is that most houses only have like 5 spots and there can still be about 50/60 that rush

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by: ActuallySep 5, 2015 8:37:03 PM

I never said it would be easier, hence why I mentioned those requirements. Rush isn't easy regardless. Sure, fraternity recruitment sounds good on paper, but nearly 1000 girls rush in the fall every year and there's no better way to regulate and make sure that the right girls are chosen. There's a system in place for a reason.

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by: Actually lolSep 5, 2015 9:18:09 PM

"Regulate and make sure the right girls are chosen" is about as superficial and judgy as you can get. Is it code for making sure your chapter has easy access to the most attractive and well off freshmen? Formal recruitment can be beautiful for some and a nightmare for others for no apparent reason. Plenty of really good pnms Fall through the cracks during formal recruitment because so much is based on superficial things. Hope your hair wasn't frizzy today because of the humidity because you might get cut for having a horrid hair day :(

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by: ActuallySep 5, 2015 11:11:33 PM

If you get cut by a sorority because your hair was frizzy you were better off not being in that house in the first place. My sorority personally would never cut someone for superficial bs like that and neither would most houses. The process WORKS. Thousands of Greek women from this campus alone can vouch for that. If your favorite didn't call you back then you weren't right for them and they weren't right for you. I know it's difficult to see that now but it will be more apparent later.

Your literal only "requirements" for each round are to dress appropriately, come prepared, and show us your best you. We have no knowledge of your income or anything that isn't already made public. There are no secrets, no mind games, no plots to bring down PNMs. We get it, weather happens (it's rained during recruitment the past 2 years) but if we can tell you didn't bother to brush it or wash your face that day? You're probably going to get cut.

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by: ActuallySep 5, 2015 11:27:19 PM

And honey soooooooo much more goes into selection than "superficial things." We look at what you can do to help improve our chapter. It's like a job interview. We ask you about your interests, your philanthropic tendencies, your involvement, etc. because, believe it or not, most houses want more than just a pretty face. You can be the most beautiful girl in the world, but if you have no substance, you will probably have a short list each day. Please don't criticize a system that you know nothing about how it works.

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by: Actually???Sep 6, 2015 1:24:56 AM

Honey, You do not have to be so condescending. You were called out for making some demeaning statements. Just move on. This is a high emotion weekend and we need to cut some slack. When we start arguing every point, it certainly does not help. Women are released for all different kinds of reasons and I'm not going to lie - physical appearance is often a part of it.

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by: ActuallySep 6, 2015 10:56:49 AM

What did I say that was demeaning? I've recruited for 3 years and I've seen thousands of girls go through our house. Telling freshman how the system ACTUALLY works is demeaning? Trying to reinforce that looks are not the ultimate factor is demeaning? The fact that they have no clue and want to tell US how flawed the system is despite not knowing a single thing about it is demeaning for all of Greek life.

Look, I'm sorry that a house cut you because you had "frizzy hair," but why would you want to join them in the first place? There are over 16 houses and every PNM has been warned day 1 to not have tunnel vision and determine your favorite house at the start. Instead of fretting over "what's wrong with you" look at what type of positive vibe you give off. Are you being invited back to more athletic, studious, or philanthropic houses? They're inviting you back because they see potential in you to help improve their chapter and join their sisterhood.

If you really hate the system so much talk to someone on Panhellenic and tell them about your ideas. If the system was so flawed then it wouldn't be in place. If there's something better then it needs to be stated. Sorority girls do not make the rules, we just follow them. So to be mad at us for something that we have no control over isn't fair.

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#5  by: Oh, Deary..   
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Did you honestly think formal recruitment round be anything but superficial and judgey? Have you ever watched movies that have Greek life in them? Have you ever talked to anyone who has gone through the process?! You think Purdue is bad, you should see the southern sorority recruitment! It's brutal!

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by: LolSep 5, 2015 11:42:38 PM

Movies don't actually provide the best examples of Greek like.

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by: I guess I'm DearySep 6, 2015 1:06:32 AM

Yeah I did expect it to be less superficial and judgey. Call me crazy. And comparing Purdue to Alabama isn't a very high bar.

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#6  by: hey Guess   
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Uh...there are a lot of schools in the Sourh other than Alabama!! Absolutely, you are being judged! You are being judged on what you can bring to the chapter. Grades, leadership, campus involvement, compassion, volunteerism, social skills just to name a few.
Sure appearance as well. When you wear our letters, you are a reflection of us. If you can't bother to wear your hair in a way that you don't have to worry about it, that's your problem. This is Indiana for goodness sakes, it humid!
Don't come down on the Greek system because you might not be getting back the houses you thought you wanted. The system works! You will end up where you should be.

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by: EhhSep 6, 2015 7:38:22 AM

You don't have time for this. Go get ready to judge some moe women. Remember no frizzy hair and no larger than a size 8, although a 6 is preferable.

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by: StopSep 6, 2015 7:40:06 AM

Both of you please stop.

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by: EhhSep 6, 2015 9:52:06 AM

stop

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#7  by: Holy cow   
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For all of you geniuses out there, how should the system change? Should we sit and chat for 3 hours with every single PNM? Should we not have ranking systems and just have girls that clearly do not fit in keep coming back every round just because they like our house? Should we accept every single girl that looks our way? Should recruitment be a semester long? Should we limit the number of girls who sign up? Should we do this in the spring semester? Should we do away with Gamma Chis and any and all order so girls can roam freely?

We have to fit recruitment into 2 weekends for a reason because this all happens during the school year. Last year we did it in 3 weeks and it was disastrous. All of a sudden we were taking too much time from girls who wanted to put school first, which is completely understandable. Guess what. Sisters are students too! We already spend weeks before recruitment starts getting ready for you guys. If we just let every girl who was interested in coming some houses would have hundreds while others would only have dozens. Plus there is no way of making girls aware of houses that they would normally overlook. Seriously, if you have a good idea let's hear it.

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by: lolSep 6, 2015 4:24:11 PM

You all down vote this but still can't come up with an alternate solution. Damned if we keep a system, damned if we don't.

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#8  by: STOP   
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Can sorority members please stop bullying PNMs who are obviously having a very emotional weekend? You make us all look bad and immature. Let people vent if they need to. They are hurting. We can all agree love or hate the system it does not work for everyone.

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by: ^Sep 6, 2015 2:14:24 PM

bo obr is bullying PNM's, simply stating truths.
The last several posts were spot on.
Panhellenic makes the rules and the chapters are required to follow them. Plenty of girls make connections during parties.
I am sorry you didn't, but it makes me think you didn't try either. Perhaps you as the PMM were being to judgey and superficial. As the prior posted stated, houses put in a lot of time and energy for recruitment. You will understand next year when you are in the other side.
Sorry you didn't get the house you wanted, but I wish you well werever you might land.

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