Get Over It!!!!
by: chillThere are a lot of issues with Greek life, and there’s a lot that can be done for low income students. It is inherently exclusionary to those of a low SES, but it should be allowed on campus anyway. At some point people have to accept that life isn’t fair. They are at this school because of those with a high income. Someone is always going to be more conventionally attractive than you, more talented than you, more athletic than you, smarter than you, and yes even have more money than you. Get over it. Don’t tell other people that they aren’t free to live their life the way they want. No one in Greek Life is trying to institute rules to limit your freedom, yet you are so jealous that you want to take away our rights. At this point, it’s apparent that your goal is no longer equality. Allowing Black frats on campus but not ones open to everyone is oppressive. Trying to tear down the frats and sororities open to everyone because you couldn’t afford it is actually fascist.
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yeah I get this, but I think it misrepresents the opposing argument. People (generally) dislike the economic aspect of frats because they believe that they exclude a large portion of the student body based on income. This creates an unfair power dynamic for (mostly) rich, white, straight people. The people with privilege use that to give themselves more and exclude those with lesser privilege. That's what people are worried about. Granted, I disagree with this point of view, but let's not act like every abolitionist is acting on a personal vendetta against greek life.
Commentby: hmmJul 10, 2020 2:07:06 PM
I don't know who that is, but judging an entire movement by its worst individuals is the language of the oppressor. I think abolition is a terrible idea, but we need to be give the other side a fair shot and facilitate these important conversations. grow up
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by: tiredJul 10, 2020 3:44:45 PM
@hmm it’s not “the worst members.” The “worst members“ are the leaders of the movement. They are using shame to get their way and are shutting down every conversation which only creates internalized rage. They are even planning on doxxing those of us who stay in. They aren’t willing to be respectful, and I’m tired of taking the high road. They eviscerated the girl who created the reform account instead of having a productive exchange of ideas.
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by: hmmJul 10, 2020 8:26:45 PM
And if you act like a kid and refuse to address their actual arguments then you’re not much better.
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by: hmmKJul 10, 2020 8:29:27 PM
What is the actual argument other than I don't like rich popular people who prefer to exclude others?
That's not an argument. It's not even a valid claim.
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by: wowJul 15, 2020 1:00:44 PM
In yesterday’s meeting, Mia started crying about how “she was offended that we even had this discussion”. I think that sums up my problems with the abolition movement.
They are not open to conversation, not willing to compromise or consider various strategies, and driven by a hatred of all things Greek, NOT by a passion for social justice.
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by: ReformerJul 15, 2020 1:05:47 PM
Did she actually start crying? Had to do a family thing so I couldn’t join but dang that is manipulative. Honest question: had any of these concerns been raised by her and the abolition leaders prior to the last week or so? Because I honestly never heard anything concrete and I’m on chapter leadership. We’re in the middle of a social justice crisis and a pandemic so emotions are high and obviously there’s a renewed focus on how to repair harm done but this feels a little opportunistic in some ways and it doesn’t sit well :/
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by: okJul 15, 2020 5:21:49 PM
soundsfake that's an example of the issues IFC/WPA have but not the reason this recent push for abolition started. there was a post on @blackatwashu made about Chio on July 1st on the abolish instagram account
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by: very important activismJul 10, 2020 1:55:44 PM
Mia Hamernik sure is. It’s obvious she has a chip on her shoulder. Can you imagine putting “wpa/ifc abolitionist” in your bio?? Lmao the self importance is strong with that one.
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