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What...in the heck happened this year???

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Can someone please explain this? UT alumni here. I have several friends who had daughters with solid credentials that got dropped from most of the sorority houses. I heard many dropped yesterday before preference round.

We know it happens every year, but I haven't heard it happening as much as this year. These are girls that houses should have been competing for, not dropping!

Does anyone know what happened?

Posted By: Suri
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This was the largest number going through rush ever, and it was the second or third largest in numbers in the SEC. All of the houses had to cut massively. I think the cut numbers were around 1,700, which is brutal. This was especially hard for top houses like KD, ADII, AOII, Phi Mu, DDD, etc.

The great news is that all the houses are UT are strong with sweet, amazing girls. Even so, it can be a painful process, and it can be a great process. Just hoping each girl found their home.

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by: Suri   

That is very sad. If they are cutting that deep (Bama rush doesn't...BTW), I wouldn't recommend any student go through. That is too much money, time and resources. I'm sure they made a fortune.

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by: Suri   

They need to start capping recruitment if that is what they are going to start doing.

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by: There   

are enough spots for everyone going through, no matter where they go to school. All the colleges in National Panhellenic use the same system whether they have 3,000 PNMS or 300.

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by: Wait   

AOPII is not a top house though so this response definitely came from an alum.

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by: Observer   

The whole “top house” thing is a tired joke. “Top” of what?? Instagram pics? Grades? Philanthropy donations? Community service hours? Party girls? Retention rate? Sisterhood? Campus involvement? Some of the groups that are regularly labeled as “top” do very poorly in many of the categories. A House full of girls who love their Sorority, do well in the classroom, take part in campus activities & their philanthropy, and showing Kindness to others is what make a “top” house!

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is set using a formula based on the # of PNMs (attending preference, I believe). It doesn't matter how many girls go through recruitment- there is a technically a spot for every PNM, but that doesn't guarantee that the PNM will like the spot/s that end up as her option. It sounds like that's what happened if a bunch of PNMs were dropped from "Most" of the houses- they still had options but didn't like the houses they had left.

By design, the current RFM system of recruitment makes top houses cut huge numbers of girls right away, and funnels those girls to other houses. It's based on chapter size and return rates from the previous years. You can see this play out through recruitment week as "Top" houses have fewer/smaller parties, because they aren't allowed to invite as many PNMs back each round. It's a national Panhellenic system that began about 15 years ago and it has actually benefitted the system overall and has really helped a lot of the chapters at UT.

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by: Suri   

I wouldn't say that they had "houses" (pleural). More like whittled down to force them into one choice and unfortunately, that one remaining choice doesn't seem to do much on campus. They need marketing...badly.

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The "trust the process" drilled into these girls is NOT the right anthem. It should be "it's not you, it's the numbers". Sororities were never founded in numbers, it was about sisterhood, leadership and empowering women. To say I'm disappointed in the way my own chapter recruited is an understatement. I'm appalled. Telling girls they want to drop and literally disengaging with recruits. They didn't even know where their own sorority was founded! Shame on them! And for actives reading this, don't think your chapter isn't excluded from bad recruitment just because you made a number. I've heard first hand about nearly all. And the sad thing is that the girls truly looking for sisterhood, and not just a "label" will be the girls that aren't coming back when your new recruit decides she wants to drop in a year.

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by: Suri   

Thank you for being hard core honest. I wished I could pump this comment up 1,000 over. One of my sorority sister's daughter went through this year. She had amazing credentials. "Trust the process" they say? She ran into actives that couldn't even hold a conversation. One of the "big ones" which I will not insult on here by naming them, twice she went to one, and twice they told her nothing about the sorority. The member seemed more interested in bashing her dorm than discussing what was at hand. Yet, that same person is the one that was ranking the PNM. She tried to keep the conversation going but the member seemed very uninterested. She was not at all surprised to find she was dropped. From some of the videos I have seen, some of the PNMs showed up to pref round looking like they had been on a 3-day bender at a club. Those are the same ladies that will end up on Onlyfans in six months. I am being a sarcastic...but only partially. But you are correct, the desire for real sisterhood doesn't seem to be a consideration anymore and it breaks my heart to see it.

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by: observer   

Look up Paul Fussell “prole drift.” It’s what’s happened to the Greek system - indeed to colleges - throughout the country. One result is that young women are not learning the social graces and therefore don’t recognize or value this in pnms.

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Bid day yesterday. 😩 I have to say. Shocked at many we received. You can already tell who is in it for the wrong reasons.

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i mean the pledge classes this year were double the size they were 4 years ago. unfortunately when too many girls rush for the small amount of chapters tennessee has, girls are going to get cut.

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Huge numbers of PNMs and not enough houses. We need a new colony (heck, 2-3 wouldn’t hurt) ASAP. We have numbers comparable to the biggest Greek system schools but quite a few less houses. Bama has 17!

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Thank you to the person who explained the RFM system. Before anyone complains about the “system” please do your homework and understand what it is and why it’s there, how it works. Is it perfect? No, but understand that everything is based on percentages, so number of PNMs going through the recruitment is not the issue.

As for the suggestion to “cap” recruitment numbers. I’m shocked that someone would come up with that idea. How would that work? Who would determine who can and cannot go through recruitment. I would suggest going to the National Panhellenic website and do some reading. This idea is against everything Panhellenic stands for.

To the question about whether Tennessee needs more sororities, that would definitely bring down quota. But with they way Sorority Village is set up, many sororities will pass because not being in the village would be a huge disadvantage to their chapter. There is something to the idea of adding 2-3 more groups, but they would need some kind of housing that would (at the very least) put these 2-3 organizations on a level playing field with each other. And you’re talking major $$ to make all of that happen.

Finally, to the person who is blaming quota: quota is simply a number set by dividing the number of girls going through (I think they use the number going through sisterhood) divided by the number of chapters. Every single university in the US and Canada with more than 2 Panhellenic groups on campus sets their quota the exact same way.

Growth is a good thing, particularly when there are many universities who are struggling to attract members to their Greek systems. Growth needs to be managed, and it can sometimes be uncomfortable, but it’s still a good problem to have.

I’m sorry that your friends daughters did not have the experience going through recruitment that they’d hoped for. But saying horrible things about actives or their new member classes is not helpful. Alums, go to UPC, start a dialogue. Dialogue with your actives, with the advisory boards of your chapters. Use this situation to improve the process for everyone, without suggesting capping or changing how quota is set.

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Quota is based on the number of pnms attending pref

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To the alum on here making claims that the numbers are too big for girls to have a good rush experience… you have to understand that the ratios are staying the same. Around 900 girls rushed in 2012/2013 and pledge classes consisted of about 50 girls. We might have had over 2,000 go through this year but pledge classes were 140-150 girls. You can easily find the UTK Panhellenic recruitment statistics online for the past few years and if you do the math, the percentage of girls receiving a bid has actually gone up. I’m so sorry that you know girls that didn’t have a good experience or got cut from houses they loved. Unfortunately, that is not a new concept that has anything to do with the current numbers.

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by: Suri   

If you look, I was responding to the claim that over 1,000 was cut from the process. The post is above and its very clear which post I was responding to.

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We can all do math. We all understand percentages. Yes, RFM system .. everyone knows about that. No secret there. In a system like this with huge cuts day one, unless you have someone inside the house that knows and wants you, then you basically have zero chances in several houses. Looks like many houses missed a lot of amazing girls simply because they did not get to know them. When the pledge class is 50 then obviously girls have a better chance getting in a house that's their best fit because the houses can (or will) get to know a lot about the girl. With 2100 girls, a wonderfully prepared pnm with all the qualities most houses look for will simply be missed and sadly not land in their best fit house. I agree ... "TRUST THE PROCESS" no longer truly works with numbers this large. No way to change it, but the process will fail many highly qualified and desirable pnm's. Having an amazing resume, rec letters and being well prepared is simply not enough! Good thing is that bid day showed the houses are leveling out. Lots of houses are reaping the benefit of some houses simply not doing their pre recruitment homework!

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by: Simply Not Enough???   

Seems you would only be happy if only each pnm were given the option of choosing the chapter she desires. No more choosing of women by chapters, only marketing and selling by each group to the women.

Thus, it's perfectly possible that {insert your idea of a highly desirable chapter} might end up with a capped number of 300 new members versus {insert your idea of a less desirable chapter} ending up with only 30 new members.

Which, when you do the math, will likely mean far fewer total women actually experiencing greek life than under there are under current RFM system.

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Its kind of crazy how much growth sorority rush had this year - the school also had an enrollment of 800 more students than last year. It was really stressful and a lot of qualified girls probably got overlooked because of the numbers. The girls who made it through preference with two houses should have all gotten bids.

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