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by: Hmm

I can tell all those who are complaining have never been through rush on the other side. And that 95% of you, once you are on the other side, will wince a little at what you said this past week. This isn't a bad thing. I just want to explain how this works.

"Kappa and DG cut everybody early, it was cooked" or whatever. Yes, they cut heavily. No, it was not "cooked".

For any national sorority at ANY university (Harvard, USC, UC Merced, tiny liberal arts colleges, all of them), you fall under Panhellenic. Panhellenic structures rush. If you want the members, you participate. So 99.59% of the chapters do, unless you are so small that you can only C.O.B.

Panhellenic gives the chapter the number of girls they need to cut every night. They do this by return rates. If everybody is ranking XYZ #1, and obviously not everybody CAN be XYZ, then Panhel says, "XYZ, you need to release 50% of the women Day 1". If nobody is ranking ABC high, then Panhel says, "make cuts minimal, we recommend you release no more than 150 women" or whatever.

The sorority has no choice. We had advisors and/or alumnae breathing down our necks in the back rooms to make sure we do exactly what Panhel says, and on top of that we don't have an option in the first place.

"But the system should change". Not really...it works out pretty well. You'll see this when you are on the other side, but the sorority can pick up on if the girl is a fit way faster than the other way around.

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#11  by: Fixit   
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Not exactly, I still don't believe that there's a objective way to rank houses based on whether they were successful in getting the girls they wanted. A house's rank is based on many things; it's retention rate ( DG brings girls in but has had retention problems), it's sisterhood, it's philanthropy, it's network which includes alumni (which can help girls launch careers), it's resources, social life etc. Just to look at who got the girls they wanted and rank all 12 houses is very myopic. It's misleading cause freshmen who are totally new to cal and greek life just assume that higher ranked are "better" houses when that's not that case. They then rank these houses higher during rush and those same houses get who they want and the cycle of exclusivity perpetuates itself. And it's not based on anything really substantive! We need to break this and only we can!

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#12  by: goodwork   
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To Hmmm, thanks for the technical info. But I have a question for you. All the numbers and technicalities aside what do you think panhel could have done better this fall and what changes do you suggest? I think a number of the comments above have good points about some changes. The Fixit comment is wonderful in that it addresses head on the issue of transparency. Truly I think we lost alot of credibility and trust this year. I also wonder if so many of the comments about kappa and dg being finished with recruitment before it started doesn't simply describe some of the math you described combined with houses that might have had to deal with legacy issues and friends of inhouse sisters going through recruitment? Once you factor out legacies and inhouse friends the already small numbers get even smaller fast! I think the Hmm explanation also sets the stage for pnms to have realistic expectations for recruitment. Hopefully understanding the process a bit better might lead pnms down the path to look at all the houses. I disagree with you though on new houses. We have lost a house and for whatever reason a number of people left rush for a variety of reasons including possibly not vibing with the houses we have. Maybe starting from scratch might attract people in a different way because it would be the initial class that is forming the house and determining the culture. I think this could attract a certain person that was tuned out this fall. What do you think Hmm?

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by: HmmSep 22, 2016 10:01:06 AM

The #1 issue, I think, is transparency. Panhel tries to make recruitment sound like "mutual selection", but it's not really until pref when suddenly the PNMs have all the power (mostly). Up until then, it's sororities with the power. I also think explaining how a bid list works, how some chapters will have to cut a lot of girls day one, etc would help tremendously. We paint it as "you'll choose a sisterhood and it'll be so much fun" but really it's "the sororities will choose you and there will be some rejection". Even a handout about how do sororities pick members, how do cuts work, etc would maybe add to some initial stress, but would curb the misunderstandings that pop up after everything is done.

Legacies and friends from high school happen at every house, though, up and down the tiers. And that's true. If you know of a great girl from high school, she's going to get spotlighted. That doesn't stop tons of girls from joining every year that have no connections, and just because that girl might be identified, the sisters still have to vote her high. Girls are also spotlighted before from excellent applications, trophy positions (for example, NCAA athletes), great social media, letters of rec, etc. Legacies are funny. It's a house by house thing and is often the alumnae that push them or are relaxed on them. Legacies are usually only guaranteed an invite back to the second round, and if they're at pref they are in your pledge class. The rest is up to them.

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by: HmmSep 22, 2016 10:03:07 AM

As for adding another chapter, you're not going to see that happen until (a) Panhellenic determines Zeta is flourishing, and (b) the chapters feel the pledge classes are too big for their houses. Then the school will announce they are open for expansion. Different sororities may or may not apply to colonize. Then those sororities will do a presentation and will be voted on. It's not so easy, but can happen.

I don't know how other houses feel, but we're pretty fine with our pledge class sizes, the girls that want to live in can live in, etc. So I'm not sure we'd push for a new house, but if the other sororities feel like the pledge class sizes are overwhelming you might see one added.

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#13  by: goodwork   
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Forgot to mention Hmm. I realize from the tone of you posts that you are a bit perturbed that people don't understand all the details of quota and panhel etc. I get you and your sisters worked hard to put on the show that was fall recruitment and I totally believe that you believe you did the best you could as a group. But lack of knowledge about terminology and panhel doesn't mean that people came on here to throw stones unnecessarily at all. The rumors were fast a furious this year and I think many didn't feel comfortable talking to recruitment counselors or panhel for whatever reason. There were so many comments here about people not feeling comfortable in houses etc. I am sure your initial reaction to someone not feeling comfortable would be to rank that house low and not come back. Really I don't think its that simple as so many of the comments dealt with not experiencing basic respect when entering a house. I don't think if this were true that the houses did do the best that they could. I am also not sure all the pnms understood the ramifications of the rankings that they were doing after each event so as to 'maximize their options'. Ideas?

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#14  by: Fixit   
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Again hmm I think you absolutely nailed the three big issues. 1) lack of transparency 2) power not equally divided between the houses and the pnm's. The houses have more power until the pref night. 3) little or no information distributed to pnm's on how rush works and how they could increase their odds and the impact of their ranking on the choices they get.
I think the solutions could be :
1) for transparency problem please consider data collection and releasing this data on background of applicants and those that get in versus get dropped. Maybe the stats dept at Cal would consider this a great collaborative research project! Maybe we could shed light on some things objectively and work constructively toward change. The racial divide is a huge issue in my mind and while all the attention is on the mechanics we are forgetting core values. Transparency is needed ASAP. The basis of selection needs examination.
2) The power imbalce I'm clueless about how to fix cause I don't know enough technical info. But you have brilliantly identified the problem! Where there's a will there's a way! Let's find it.
3) great idea about handouts before rush explaining the process! Very doable. Let's implement it.
In addition I would look at tighter controls all around in terms of information released. Do all sisters need to know the identities of all who are rushing so that social media searches don't create bias before the process begins?

By: Fixit
by: HmmSep 23, 2016 1:13:18 PM

The power imbalance doesn't need to be fixed. The sororities select who they want. That's the point of rush. Then at pref the girls are left with their favorite options, and they choose their preferences (although they can of course be matched to their second choice, but majority get their first). I just think we need to throw mutual selection talk out the window and explain to the girls of how it really works. You are interviewing for positions. Within your options you have the power to choose, but it's not "mutual selection". We pick, and then you pick from your options.

We do need to know the identities, but not for creeping on social media. It's so we know who is coming, can match them up with good rushers, create an infrastructure etc. I DO think we should warn PNMs that once they register for recruitment, their social media is fair game and to put it on private. Once again, transparency. Although frankly PNMs can game the system that way if they are clever.

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#15  by: Fixit   
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This may be completely unrelated but today's and yesterday's news was all about racial conflict. The root cause is that we simply do not care to get to know one another. We work, go to school, play sport together but we don't bother really knowing each other. This Greek system as it works right now oerpetuates this divide. The comments made on some of the threads against integration of minorities is apalling and Im scrratching my head as to how that person managed to be seen as a perfect fit for what I suspect is one of the top houses. No, the system is terribly broken. It's centered around mechanics rather than around values. It's a private institution but it's not supposed to be exclusive, I don't think. Yes, it rejects some people and accepts others but that does not make it exclusive. It makes it selective. Stanford accepts some students and rejects others but it's very inclusive in it's selection. It ensures that it's inclusive because diversity brings in different world views and expands the mind. This leads to progress. Being selective is not being exclusive. The Greek system has confused the two. In the absence of accountability and transparency unfortunately selectivity is used as a excuse to exclude. The "fit" is a very ambiguous term and somehow the misfits to some houses look very similar and the perfect fits look alike! Hmmm, I smell a rat! Finally this is not a dating organization. For sisterhood I don't think one needs a fit. Instead one needs acceptance

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#16  by: Goodwork   
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Hmm, another thank you for taking the time for following this thread and responding. Even though this site is what it is, I truly think the info you shared helped both pnms and actives. I hope others read through this thread and some of the others. For better or worse we are in a system and have to work within the system to move forward. I am going to bring up some of these comments on my house but so far most people here don't seem too receptive and think it's all good. How is your house responding to this discussion? Do you feel there is a shot at discussion or do you feel you will be blown off? I do disagee with you though on the pledge class size issue. This year was so large that now people aren't guaranteed housing second year. I love all my new sisters but I do think that we have these large classes because of the AOPi situation that hasn't been resolved and probably won't be resolved before we graduate. So, I think panhel should look at another house as I'm not sure we can sustain these sized classes for very long. We can't wait for the zeta situation to change as building a house takes years and I don't think we have years before we run out of capacity. I'm truly not sure what to do so I am curious if you have any ideas on a way forward for panhel.

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