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Sorority Help Please

by: yup

I'm from out of state and I've been reading a lot on how "out of state girls are limited on sorority choices." I'd consider myself fairly outgoing/extroverted, smart (4.0+ GPA), and conventionally pretty (I guess). I am majoring in a time consuming major, but I also want to join a sorority. I want to be in one that's standard mid/upper mid, but I don't know if that's possible. Please let me know any sorority recommendations (given this criteria) or advice!!!

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#1  by: advice   
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Honestly, whatever you think or whatever other people say about this on here does not matter in the least. The houses do the choosing. Read that again. The houses do the choosing. Pnm's don't have nearly as much choice in the matter as they imagine they do. It is a competitive rush and there are hundreds of pnm's just like you every year: pretty, smart, outgoing, etc. Each house can only invite back so many pnm's from round to round so they must make cuts, including cutting amazing girls. The houses do not know how you rank them so that isn't a consideration for them; they have to cut girls they love all the time for the sake of numbers. Be prepared to be cut from houses you love and remember that it is all about numbers and not something to take personally. Sorority members cry every round too when their favorites don't come back. Your ranks of the houses will matter only in the event you are invited back to more houses than you can attend for a round, otherwise you will be going back to houses you might not have considered. This happens to everyone with very few exceptions. Focus on the houses that invite you back because they really want you. Forget the ridiculous tiers, every single sorority here is fabulous.

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#2  by: Advice   
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Advice said it perfectly. But I will add something-why would you ask anonymous people on the internet for advice on where YOU belong? They don't know you. And you can't trust the people on here that say Oozma Omicron Omega is the only one you should join. What if OOO is a bunch of whale worshippers and that's not what you're in to? Yes, that's a ridiculous example. But it's to make you see how ridiculous your question is. Over a thousand girls go through rush. And guess what? They are all outstanding. Thousands are members. They are all outstanding too. You can find your place anywhere if you go in open-minded.

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#3  by: Rush   
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Honestly pi phi, gphi, and zeta are the best option for out of state girls. Great sororities that love to have fun!!

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by: ? Dec 29, 2022 10:10:09 AM

What, exactly, is a pnm supposed to do with this information?

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by: WowApr 1, 2023 11:02:47 AM

Relax. She asked a question. Girls can pref where they want. It’s added info.

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#4  by: sorority gal    
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honestly a sorority is what you make it. I was in phi mu and ended up dropping, one of my friends is a theta and LOVES it. I know girls who can’t stand being in KD and girls who bleed purple and white for tri sigma. People who are chronically online here would say certain things about all the girls I described and their experiences simply because of rank.

I know I have no moral high ground because I’m snooping here, but I guess what I’m saying is keep an open mind and know that even if you don’t end up where you feel like you “should” be because of house rank, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t give it a chance. What you’ll remember in 40 years is the good memories you had, not whether or not you were top dog.

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by: its all bsApr 17, 2023 10:12:39 PM

AMEN!!! i know a girl who dropped a top chapter after a few weeks bc she only chose it due to status and hated it. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not choose a chapter based on what random ppl online say. follow your heart and where it takes you and you’ll be happy

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#5  by: Go open minded!   
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There are definitely a few sororities that are harder to get if you’re out of state but the chance is never zero! I am personally from out of state and I never got the opportunity to go see KΔ or ΑΔΠ which are kind of the most infamous for only taking girls from specific places like bham, but I did end up in an amazing sorority that I am beyond happy with that has a good mix of girls even quite a few from bham!! Depending on where you’re from out of state some sororities tend to have more northern girls and some have more southern! Ex: ΣΚ, ΠΒΦ, ΖΤΑ tend to have more northern to midwestern girls whereas ΦΜ, ΑΓΔ, ΑΟΠ, ΑΧΩ tend to be much more southern! Of course there are tons of acceptions to all of these!! Just go in with an educated but open mind, try to make a genuine connection in every house(I’m friends with some of the girls that rushed me even though we didn’t end up in the same sorority!) and trust that the process will lead you where you’re meant to be! The whole top/mid/bottom thing is totally subjective and everyone has different opinions on it. There isn’t a single sorority that is perfect nor is there one that has no amazing aspects to it!! Honestly going to a sorority just because you think it’s top/upper mid or something is how people end up the most unhappy.

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by: ^Jan 3, 2023 8:42:43 AM

What does "I never got the opportunity to go see KΔ or ΑΔΠ" mean?

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by: IfJan 3, 2023 11:20:06 AM

If you went through rush via zoom as the past couple classes have-2020 completely and 2021/2022 ice water teas and weren't invited back for the first in person round, you wouldn't have gotten to "see" KD or ADP. Or any of the others that didn't invite you.

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by: Hang on thereJan 7, 2023 11:34:40 AM

@Go Open Minded! - Since you have not rushed as an active you are not really understanding. PNM's DO NOT CUT. PNM's only RANK, and their rankings have no effect whatsoever on how the sorority ranks them. When a sorority cuts a PNM, the PNM's ranks don't matter, she is cut. The sororities have decided most of their first cuts well before in-person Ice Water Teas or video submissions. This round is, and always has been, mostly perfunctory. There is no way any sorority could ever wait to make decisions about their required, huge, first round cuts based on a quick in-person meet or video. Sororities already know much more about the PNM's before rush even starts than the PNM's know about the sororities at this point. There is always the exceptional PNM that surprisingly wows a sorority at this round, so you never know, and sororities always look for these girls. But the PNM's that get a full card back after IWT or even Philanthropy are few and far between. These girls are the ones whose ranks matter because more houses want to invite them back, 13 or more after IWT or 8 or more after Philanthropy. Again, these girls are few and far between. For the vast majority of PNM's, it won't matter how much they want a sorority back or how much they don't because their input isn't really worth much until pref.

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by: Go open minded!Jan 7, 2023 7:43:16 PM

Hey @hang on there! I kind of think we are saying the same thing in different words? I just said “cut” for simplicity’s sake but yes you are ofc correct that we only rank. So to clarify: I ranked KΔ at the bottom during IWT, to be honest I had some people in my ear in making this decision but everything worked out ofc and because they cut me it didn’t matter. If they had ranked me highly instead of cutting me then they probably would’ve rolled up my rankings because as I said after IWT I did not have a full schedule. AΔΠ was ranked around the middle for me but, as you said, a PNMs rankings do NOT matter at all until Pref and I was cut. In regards to how IWTs are run, I know that while PNMs are sitting down and watching all 18 videos in the span of an hour, there is no way each sorority could do the same for all 1800 PNMs in that time span. Sororities have access to PNM videos for longggg before rush even starts because that initial cut is super time consuming. I was just saying that in a perfect world every girl would get to go see every sorority in person! But unfortunately it isn’t that way! I was lucky enough to get full schedule back after philanthropy and I really believe this is because I, and many other girls, do better in person than in a video! I’m super excited to participate in rush and I loved your take on it! Sorry some of my language was confusing and thank you for correcting it so no PNMs get confused!

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by: TruthJan 10, 2023 1:30:56 PM

Even before this virtual and video stuff, sororities generally knew who they "wanted" based on resumes, recs, knowing somebody, etc. It was simply due to time and not being able to rank 1800 girls before lists were due to Panhellenic. Now don't get discouraged cause you could come in from out of state or out of nowhere at some houses not knowing a single solitary soul and really impress them and they could decide to invite you back.
But to reinforce what's said above. PNMs really never get to "release" a house unless you have more invites than party slots and in that situation, the computer tries to pair you with your top choices but if AAA was your top and you're on their bottom, you are probably not going to get it.
There are girls that even with pref will not have two parties, don't get to cut a sorority, and they still end up happy with the one they get. In the end, it only takes one.
I really can't say enough about being open-minded and looking at where you fit, not what strangers online think is a top or bottom house.

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#6  by: Hang on there   
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@Go Open Minded! - Yep, definitely all that.

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#7  by: advice   
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please, please, please stay off this website l. you will find your place, i promise you. please don’t get caught up in the “tiers”. i have friends in the “top” tier sororities and they hate it, because they only chose them bc they are popular. please choose the best fit for you, all 18 chapters have good people in them and they all have something to give, tiers be damned

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#8  by: ^   
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bump

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#9  by: Girly   
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Don’t worry about it. I know that’s easier said than done but you’ll end up where you need to be. Certain sororities take more out of state girls. If you have a good gpa, resume, and are friendly and bubbly during recruitment you will have plenty of options. Alpha xi takes a lot of out of state girls

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