fraternity ranks

Nope, never said or implied pi kapp or phi kapp were bottom-feeders. I was saying the sororities that hang with them are the bottom-feeders. That wasn't the point anyway. The point was that pi kapp and phi kapp have respectable achievements and accomplishments but they aren't fratty. Hence my question to op. It's a matter of what he wants out of a fraternity: leadership/volunteer experience or a good time/lifelong memories.

I think more of the deal with Pi Kap and phi kap is that they are more of a mixed bag with phi kap being a little more frattier. They have clicks within both that by looks wise rival sigma chi and delta sig that date too tier sorority girls. But yes I'll agree that they have a few mehs, but most of them aren't goobers. I definitely see a few d sig goobers. Mostly what I'm trying to say is that old stigmas have lingered with these two frats and putting them with sigma nu is just not right. These two are probably on the same level as ATO as of now. Just middle. I'd almost say these guys are like if you were to sample 7 guys from each frat on campus and put them into one fraternity. Mixed bag

sigma chi and Delta Sig do have goobers but the number is very few, most likely because of grades we are all just trying to have fun. as for those fraternities its going to be the same story as ATO they had a small golden age but fell because they have 1 month left in Kappa Alphas house same with pi kap and Kappa Siggs house another example is pike and sigma nus house... they all fell shortly after vacating the house. Delta Sig and Sigma Chi are top and are not going anywhere for the time being as for the rest its a toss up.