Sorority rush reaching out prior

Nationals already knows of these practices because Nationals is part of the National Panhellenic Conference who came up with the practices. All 26 member groups agreed to the changes.

Two days for sisterhood isn't for the PNMS, silly. It's so the women doing the recruiting can eat, take a break, not stand on their feet for 15 hours straight! Your PNM, if she was lucky to get a bid, will be one of those women next year. Do you want her sick and exhausted just so some PNMs don't have to sit around? The PNMs can go do something fun if they are so bored!

I totally agree with you. There's nothing mutual about it when PNMs aren't even given the courtesy of an in person conversation at all of the houses.

Open house rounds need to be in person. If it takes two days, so be it. I also think there needs to be more weight given to how the PNMs rank the houses, or they need to stop calling it "mutual selection."

Personally, I think the first cuts should be made by PNMs and PNMs only. Sororities should not be able to cut anyone until Sisterhood round. So, for Open House rounds and Philanthropy rounds, the PNMs would make the cuts and if they do not choose to return to a house, then it's not on their schedule anymore (and they're not penalized for "not maximizing their options" - aka allowing themselves to be used as filler for the houses no one chose.) For Sisterhood and Pref Night, the houses would make the cuts. I think this would be much more "mutual selection" and would ensure that no PNM ends up having to choose between joining a house she has consistently ranked last and knows is not a fit or not going Greek at all.

This will never happen because people would be up in arms about how PNMs need to have an open mind and give everyone a chance instead of thinking they're too good for certain chapters without getting to know them... Yet these same people will vehemently defend chapters cutting PNMs for superficial reasons without getting to know them.

There was no transportation for the PNM’s to go “do something fun”. There also wasn’t any food or refreshments for them. I’m so sorry that y’all had to work hard! LOL

PLENTY of women with no "history" have gone on to be exemplary sorority women who have given back to their organizations for years after graduation. More than I can say for the majority of legacy women I know.

Careful, your bigotry and privilege are showing, and it's not very becoming.

I was not a legacy and you are libeling me! I joined by luck. My point is by your theory then no legacy that keeps a tradition going should be allowed to join a sorority. Only new unaffiliated women. It’s a new kind of bigotry!

I am not "libeling" you. Nothing is preventing a woman who is a legacy from going through recruitment. If she really has been taught and lives an organization's values, that will show to recruiters. But she shouldn't get preferential treatment just because she is a legacy, which is what legacy policies are designed to do. Also, your legacy may decide she does not want to join your sorority. She may want to join another group and should get a fair chance just like anyone. By your reasoning, your legacy may not get a bid from a group she really wants because that group may favor their own legacies over her.

Getting rid of legacy policies means every woman regardless of who her maternal relatives are gets equal consideration during recruitment FOR WHO SHE IS AS AN INDIVIDUAL.

I know of four legacies who were cut at the video round this year. And the “recruiters” on other threads are admitting that all the recruitment is done over the summer via Instagram and social media.
Legacy policies were changed at many nationals after the “racial reckoning” of 2020 because of “privilege”. Meanwhile the black sororities maintain their legacies and their traditions. It’s a joke.

You should judge the women by 1. Their resumes and accomplishments and 2. Recommendations by fellow sorority sisters and 3. Meeting them in person to see how they conduct themselves and hold a conversation.

If legacy status means nothing and recommendations mean nothing, then a national sisterhood means nothing.

That's not the same as legacy policies, and if you were really in a sorority, you'd know that. A legacy policy helps someone who has no connection with women in a house get a leg up on women they know will be good sisters just because the woman they don't know has a relative who was in the sorority (often at a different school, long ago, even). Why even have recruitment then if you just want to give bids to only legacies? Sure, a member may favor their friend from high school or someone else she knows personally, but isn't why we do recruitment in the first place for people to meet each other and make connections? By your reasoning, the women in the chapter don't have to get to know legacies, just accept them and take them no matter what! Why give up the videos like you're arguing for then if we just are going to hand out bids to relatives no questions asked.

I don't know what you are even talking about because I didn't not give "my version of preference." I haven't talked about preference round at all, just that legacy policies and recommendations are antiquated, do not work as intended, and need to be eliminated.

You are even less consistent in your arguments and don't see how what you are advocating for could have worked against you in some places and could work against your relative(s) in the long run.

Interesting note: The discussion about getting rid of legacy policy actually started because in some places, there were far more legacies going through recruitment than spots to offer in a chapter. You don't have to have a discussion with a disappointed relative about why a certain legacy got cut if there isn't a policy in the first place. Helping to increase opportunity comes as an added benefit to eliminating policy. In retrospect, may have been better just to tell all of you that your legacy wasn't getting in no matter what from the get go, but feelings would still have been hurt.

Also, when you know someone, you made the effort to get to know someone as individual, whether it be in class, in COB, or recruitment. Your way of doing things means some people are going to get asked back regardless whether anyone knows them or not. That may mean that someone who is well-known to be a good fit for the chapter could get cut because that person is ranked lower just for not having a relative who had been a member (again maybe in another school, long ago).

Recommendations can be written by anyone, whether they know someone well or not. Plenty of examples of people asking strangers for recs because they don't know anyone in a certain sorority. I personally know alums who just review the resume and don't get to know the person at all to write the rec.

Ok conversation is over! look up the word preference as in preference for a legacy or preference for friend from high school.

And you think about what it means to get to know someone as an individual (friends count, that's human nature and how the wider world works) versus just trusting that someone is a good fit by luck of birth or random strangers' opinions. I just answered your question above.

Fact of the matter is you just want to use whatever method gets your relative in your sorority, whether your relative even wants that or not. If they are friends with people in the chapter great, but if not, they should get in just because they are related to you. People who are not legacies are suspect (even though you were not one) if it means your relative may not get an invite. I feel I have been very consistent in my arguments, unlike you.

Good day to you.

While there's certainly something to be said about non-legacies, the poster on the anti-legacy side of this debate appears to simply favor a form of nepotism that they can control, rather than true equity. They don't come out and say it, but in the end, the system they propose is still about who you know, rather than who you are. For someone from out of state, or is otherwise lacking these connections, nothing changes.

I’d advise her to simply get to know girls on campus at class and in the dorms. Every house will COB at some point.