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will we be stronger when we have more fraternities?

by: Oscar

A few years ago we had 25 IFC fraternities and now we only have 16. Will we be a stronger fraternity system when all of those missing nationals reestablished their chapters here as colonies again?

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#1  by: Roscoe   
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No. The demographics don't support more fraternities. There will be too many fraternities because the male student population won't have the numbers of guys who are likely to join. Enrollment is declining, numbers of foreign students attending who are less likely to join a fraternity are up, and Greek life is getting a terrible reputation (deserved) from kids getting hazed to death. Membership numbers could tank at existing frats because everyone is spread too thin. Better to have fewer but stronger and sustainable houses.

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#2  by: Oscar   
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Not to argue, but it doesn’t look like the chapter sizes have increased or decreased. We need the energy of phi Delt and sigma chi, Phi Sig and lambda chi. Competition makes everyone better. If losing the big fraternities would make the small fraternities better then they would already be better. Who has there to take phi delt’s place. Are the Pikes any bigger or better? Are the alpha delta any bigger or better.?

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by: RoscoeMay 25, 2019 6:46:01 AM

If the chapter sizes have stayed the same then that means that the balance is right. Competition is all well and good but not if there is a shrinking pool of potential members. What is "better" if the pledge class sizes are too small from too many fraternities coming back on too quickly and not enough rushees to go around? Where is the "energy" in a 10 person pledge class? Where is the money coming from to pay for the tailgates and parties and everything else socially? You need a certain amount of dues coming in every semester and you must fill every room in the house. You want to rent rooms to geeds to make ends meet? I'm just saying that letting nine houses back on all at once and expecting magic to happen is unrealistic. Just need to consider supply and demand or the whole system tanks.

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by: please explainMay 26, 2019 11:39:43 AM

My only question is how would you know what the "energy" of Sigma Chi and Lambda chi was like? Sigma Chi was kicked off in 2013 and Lambda chi was kicked off in 2011. I doubt that you have been here that long. instead focus on the current active fraternities. additionally, when fraterniteis come back after years of not existing the chapter is not the same as it once was.

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by: To please explainMay 26, 2019 12:31:51 PM

You’re right I wasn’t here but I’ve heard the stories. I was here when Phi Delt got the boot and I know how good they were and I believe we miss them. Those others were big good fraternities too. FSU can’t maintain a great fraternity system with weak chapters.

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by: RoscoeMay 26, 2019 1:46:54 PM

"I've heard the stories" LMAO. How is that relevant to what would be a brand new colony of any fraternity starting from scratch?

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#3  by: Orbitboy   
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Used to be thousands of guys going through rush then ifc started making guys pay, like sororities, and the school started making PNMs attend lectures and now they’re going to start charging their Greek fee this fall. Nobody should have to pay to go through Fraternity rush.

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by: RoscoeMay 25, 2019 4:31:26 PM

Do you really think that paying a fee to register to rush is a deterrent? Compared to the actual cost of dues it's nothing. That's a pathetic excuse for rush numbers being down. If rushees have to pay a fee to rush then perhaps you sift out the guys who actually might want to join a fraternity from the hangers-on who only want to come and drink your free alcohol with no intention of pledging. Doesn't seem like it's asking too much. Adapt or die people.

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#4  by: Plenty   
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16 is plenty!

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#5  by: Boxer   
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I have a serious question. I’m on the side of bringing back our best fraternities and I’m surprised and saddened at the attitude that we don’t need them. But maybe I’m the one who’s wrong.
Please tell me, anyone who knows if you were here then. When we had the really good chapters like Phi Delt, LXA, Sigma Chi and Phi Sig was the average chapter size bigger then or was it smaller? Were rushees more attracted to fraternities then when there were more and better choices? Would the Delta, Pikes, ATO, phi Taus, TX etc. be as good as they are now if the had to face competition? What about KA, Kappa Sig SAE and Fiji?

By: Boxer
by: ?May 30, 2019 6:10:32 PM

Who/where are all these guys? The ones that would fill these fraternities?

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by: .May 30, 2019 6:19:40 PM

They're either here or on their way in the fall - enrollment is up yet again and that should translate into larger rush numbers. Now that said, that doesnt take into account the number of actually qualified rushees coming to each fraternity. Rush numbers could actually be up but if fraternities aren't giving out more bids it doesnt really matter.

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by: RusheesMay 31, 2019 1:27:54 AM

I'm sure the same amount of people will rush Fall 2019 as in previous years. these new Fall PCs will go to houses that fit their style. I assure you, that a kid will decide to rush even though past fraternities are gone. The top kids will just go other houes and you will see a growth in existing chapters. If anything this could be positive becuase it will allow chapters to grow and thus be more money in the system for tailgates/parties etc.

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#6  by: Boxer   
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I have a serious question. I’m on the side of bringing back our best fraternities and I’m surprised and saddened at the attitude that we don’t need them. But maybe I’m the one who’s wrong.
Please tell me, anyone who knows if you were here then. When we had the really good chapters like Phi Delt, LXA, Sigma Chi and Phi Sig was the average chapter size bigger then or was it smaller? Were rushees more attracted to fraternities then when there were more and better choices? Would the Delta, Pikes, ATO, phi Taus, TX etc. be as good as they are now if the had to face competition? What about KA, Kappa Sig SAE and Fiji?

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