this needs to be its own thread - pnm look here
by: hmmm
Don't remember all the numbers for each house, but basically Chi O and Kappa are at 99.9-100% recruitment retention which makes them the most exclusive. Add in much needed connections and there is a slim chance pms are getting in these two.
Pi Phi and Zeta are about 95-100% keeping them top tier too. Connections are important, but not as crucial as Chi O and Kappa.
All the other houses are below these numbers, but some are still really high (middle tier houses ddd, kd, adpi at 80-99%) and then the lower houses under these numbers.
Panhellenic works really hard to keep the pmns in recruitment and not have them drop out if they are released from the "top" four houses. Every house is different and amazing all at the same time. Truth is, the middle tier and lower tier houses honestly have the nicest girls and the best sisterhood. They are the most liked houses on campus. I wish ranks weren't based on things like recruitment retention numbers and connections, but that's just how it is.
#1by: hmmm
these percentages look pretty true, but I think the bigger factor is how many pmns the houses have to release. NPC makes each house release a certain number of pmns each recruitment.
for the tier 1 houses (xo,kkg,pbp,zta), they can only keep about a quarter of the pmns. tier two houses (adpi,ddd,kd) can keep about half. tier three (axo,pm) somewhere between the numbers for tiers two and four. tier four (aoii,dg) can keep about 3/4.
that's why the rankings are the way they are. it doesn't mean those houses are better, it's just when 75% of your gc group gets released from those four houses, it makes them seem more desirable.
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by: Yep
I don’t think anyone chooses Kappa. They know girls in kappa and already know they’re going kappa.
If someone has kappa and another sorority at pref, I agree — I can’t see a girl choosing kappa unless they already knew
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by: @um
by: @Um
copied from OG post:
That's not really how retention numbers work. For this last recruitment, there were almost 2300 pmns. Kappa and Chi O could invite approx 575-600 to the second round. So having a 99.9-100% retention rate means that all these pmns wanted them too (at least for this round).
Pmns ranking any of the top houses as last doesn't mean anything if the houses don't have the pmns high enough on their list.
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by: Listen
Listen kappa knows how to keep their numbers up there for first round. I have kappa best friend and I am in a lower tiered house. They flood pnms instagram with follows and likes in the spring by getting girls names from in house members. So roughly around 600 or so girls will have their names out there. Not hard if sophomores and juniors throw around two or three names. These girls will be so flattered by the follows and likes they are at least keeping them first round. This isn’t rocket science. By comparison a lowered tier house would have to do this to WELL over 1500 girls to show they had a 95 to 100 percent retention rate first round. Yes the system protects pnms from having no house on bid day but it completely screws over lower tiered houses. Panhellenic knows this but I suppose there is no other option.
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by: @listen
@listen is speaking the truth…kappa and others do this. PNMs should read and believe.
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by: To clarify
Release numbers are an average of several years return rates, not just what happened the year prior.
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by: @How?
Sure! The original post is very eye opening. It has many references/ sources and has been vouched for multiple times. I would definitely suggest checking it out! It does a great job at explaining the stats and the actual process. Top houses doesn’t mean better…it’s just a numbers game! Hope this helps.
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by: 20
We know the stats of our own houses and we have tons of friends in other houses who talk about their returns too. We all know each others numbers. It is no secret.
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by: Soooo
@20 so you’re saying we should just trust you and your “tons of friends” to accurately give the correct numbers. Gotcha
PNMs ranking top houses lower absolutely would have an affect. That’s why so many dirty rush and follow PNMs on socials.
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by: ^
I’ll never understand why people get so defensive about this. It’s just numbers… it’s like you’re looking for a fight lol.
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by: truth
Copied from another post….
It's not a research paper, but here are some sources:
Combined experience and info from current and former roommates (from three different houses) and me -
12+ years of sorority membership
10+ years of recruitment
3 gamma chis
3 members on exec
2 members on npc council
4 members on recruitment teams
Is that enough for you? Even without all this, most sorority members realize the statistics of recruitment after they've been on the other side. It's not rocket science, it's simply numbers.
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#5by: Calling BS here
I don't believe any of this is true, it's just someone making up $hit to enforce their house's 'tier' status. In my house only the recruitment chair and advisor know the stats and they don't share it with the membership. It's actually not necessary for the membership to know. I have never heard anyone from another sorority share their house's return rates, and if someone in a house knew their return rates were not that high they wouldn't go around blabbing that to other sororities.
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by: @truth
I am sorta glad PNMs can look at the numbers and info to get real information on how the process works and why things are the way they are so they can be prepared.
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by: oh please
I hope pnm's aren't so gullible as to believe any numbers some random person posts on an anonymous site.
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by: @oh please
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If the top four houses can only keep about 25% of the pnms and those houses need connections, you're saying there is less than a 5% chance that I could get an invite to the second round without a connection? I'm guessing an even lower chance to receive a bid from them?
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