wondering where the REALISTIC RANKS post went 🤔

Were the retention stats posted? Can someone repost them?

Don't remember all the numbers for each house, but basically Chi O and Kappa are at 99.9-100% recruitment retention which makes them the most exclusive. Add in much needed connections and there is a slim chance pms are getting in these two.
Pi Phi and Zeta are about 95-100% keeping them top tier too. Connections are important, but not as crucial as Chi O and Kappa.

All the other houses are below these numbers, but some are still really high (middle tier houses ddd, kd, adpi at 80-99%) and then the lower houses under these numbers.

Panhellenic works really hard to keep the pmns in recruitment and not have them drop out if they are released from the "top" four houses. Every house is different and amazing all at the same time. Truth is, the middle tier and lower tier houses honestly have the nicest girls and the best sisterhood. They are the most liked houses on campus. I wish ranks weren't based on things like recruitment retention numbers and connections, but that's just how it is.

Were those the % from this past recruitment!? Because as a NM almost everyone I know ranked Chi O and Kappa at the bottom.

Cite your sources please!

these percentages look pretty true, but I think the bigger factor is how many pmns the houses have to release. NPC makes each house release a certain number of pmns each recruitment.
for the tier 1 houses (xo,kkg,pbp,zta), they can only keep about a quarter of the pmns. tier two houses (adpi,ddd,kd) can keep about half. tier three (axo,pm) somewhere between the numbers for tiers two and four. tier four (aoii,dg) can keep about 3/4.

that's why the rankings are the way they are. it doesn't mean those houses are better, it's just when 75% of your gc group gets released from those four houses, it makes them seem more desirable.

So the thing is if almost everyone you know ranked chi o and kappa at the bottom chances are pretty good that almost everyone you know was going to be released by those 2 houses anyway. Because they were going to be released anyway those pnms ranking them at the bottom does nothing to affect chi o or kappa retention rates. They still got back 99% or whatever of pnms they wanted back.

Needs to be its own post. If pnms or even actives just understood how the stats work

bump!

this is the most helpful and informative thing i've read on this site

The actual numbers are only seen by Panhellenic

I actually think only one or two people know the numbers for ALL the houses

Well kappa doesn’t want anyone to know they haven’t had a 99 percent return rate in years

Why they won’t they just post the actual rankings by pnm’s? It would change everything. Just because chi o and kappa are allowed to cut two/thirds of the pnm’s night one does not mean they were ranked that high by MOST pnm’s!

Tri delt wanted it removed because they aren’t considered top

No way kappa has a better retention rate than pi phi. No way. And I believe they are either tied or below zeta at this point

Where did people find these percentages?

Kappa is no higher than pi phi or zeta

Kappa has no higher retention rate than pi phi or zeta

Kappa has fallen. Pi phi/zeta has better retention than kappa as of 2023

Yep^ the last sentence this explains what apparently everyone here is confused about

I know this is the way it is but it’s also the reason top houses continue to be perceived as top. I wish Panhellenic would look at actual pnm rankings.

So basically this means no matter what ranks won’t change. If a mid tier house invited back hundreds more girls than kappa first round than they have much greater chance of being ranked low by pnm’s simply because they have more girls that have the opportunity too. Chi o has so many Arkansas girls and girls that know they are going chi o they aren’t getting ranked low by that group. Kappa floods girls they are looking at with follows on insta that those girls are not ranking them low first round. This is so unfair because I know for a fact kappa lost girls to several other houses during recruitment this year. I am a sophomore and know many kappas as well as many pnm’s this year. Last year pi phi kicked their butts. This year kappa lost to the other tops as well as Tri Delt. They aren’t liked on campus. So for Panhellenic to continue to give them a ridiculously high cut number first night and allowing them to think they are the S… is just so irritating when I know most girls would not want to be a kappa. I know kappas they don’t like being kappas.

kappa and tri delt flooded PNMs this year. Unfortunately, it means absolutely nothing. They still choose Ark girls and those with in house connections. If I would have known the insta follows, comments, & dms meant nothing, I would have ranked differently from the beginning.

Of course they have a high retention rate. They rarely offer bids to anyone out of state and go for those BWB that have something to prove and are still stuck in that high school mindset 🙄🙄

Where are documented retention numbers posted from Panhellenic? I know there are people reporting them on here, but where are they getting their source?

Also, I always find it funny that anyone who says they cut a top house, the response is always that the girl was getting cut anyway. Why is it so hard to believe a girl can cut a top house? Or that sometimes the girl that ends up by chance in a top house was cut by the majority of other houses?

I think people would be shocked at what actually goes on behind the scenes and it’s not what it seems. But Panhellenic will always try to protect it.

For anyone who needs to hear it here's what @huh said and it's just the way the process works. Even if you don't like the way it works it doesn't change the facts.

Pmns ranking any of the top houses as last doesn't mean anything if the houses don't have the pmns high enough on their list.

So basically Panhellenic determines who is top??

This is super frustrating. No way after being a gamma chi for the past two years do I believe kappa has a 99 percent return rate. No way

if you were a gamma chi for even 1 year you'd understand how the process works.

This person sounds like they know what they are talking about

Interesting

Trying to understand how this works. Seems to me that Panhellenic decides who is top by giving certain houses a larger cut number night one

one more time for pnms what huh said:

Pmns ranking any of the top houses as last doesn't mean anything if the houses don't have the pmns high enough on their list.

you can be outraged and say it's not fair that this is the way it works, but that doesn't change that this is the the way it works.

a house has a 100% retention rate if every single pnm that the HOUSE wants back for the next round ALSO ranks that house as one of HER tops.

if a house wants 1000 pnms back in a round, and 100 of the pnms that the house ranks at the top of the house's list turn around and rank that house at the bottom of their lists, that house has a 90% retention rate.

retention does not work the other direction as far as panhellenic is concerned. they are only concerned with mutual decisions where the house wants the pnm and the pnm wants the house.

Yes. Just the way it works

Yes but it’s not that difficult to take the 5 or 600 girls past first round that you believe will keep you in the top 8. So if kappa floods pnm’s instagram with followers in the spring which they did and do then it would be rare those pnm’s would rank them in the bottom three the first night. If ADPI is required to invite 1500 back after first round then OFCOURSE their retention rate will be lower because now they have 1,000 more girls that have the opportunity to rank them low! How frustrating for other houses! And if they want to cut more to have the perceived illusion they are best they have to pay fines! And yes chi o / kappa it’s a perceived illusion but after this year it’s just that. Perceived and only perceived for kappa by kappas.

Totally agree with Felicia! Wish Panhellenic would understand this.

Actually they would still get back 500. Based on your scenario, other girls move up in those slots. Everyone is ranked. So the 200 past number 500 get an invite back for that round.

Nope not true if like everyone says the other 1500 ranked chi o last as well.

At UArk top definitely does not mean best

it's 100% accurate. these are just the numbers of recruitment, which explains why the four top houses stay that way.

Hahaha ^you are awesome thank you

I was a gc and was a chair on the recruitment team. These numbers are accurate. Some houses may not like the truth in these numbers, but it does not make any of the top four houses better than any other. As she said - it's simply numbers.

To @agree. Go read Felicia’s post a few up. The numbers are they way they are because of Panhellenic. It’s almost impossible math for it to change when the mid to lower houses have over a thousand more girls they DONT cut first round that now have the opportunity to cut them. Ofcourse they will have lower retention rates! It only counts if the house invites you back and you put them in the bottom three. The tops have WAY less girls going into round two to rank them lower.

GC this year and these numbers are absolutely true. I get that a couple houses may not like that, but this is how the tiers are seen during recruitment and on campus. All our chapters are really good, so it's frustrating as a GC for pmns to not even give the lower perceived houses a chance.

Hold on. Do you think panhellenic is a bunch of random part time volunteers who thought it would be fun to run a giant greek organization in their free time? The reason the process is as it is is because it works to maximize the chances of every pnm finding a house. Yep it is a slow one step at a time process for a house to move from bottom to top. They have to do a little better with retention every year to move spots. No one is moving from 11th to 5th in one recruitment. But every time a house's retention numbers go up against the house above them, that house moves up.

Omg this^

It's not rocket science, love it, preach sister!

Yes! This!

Process does help UARK fill all the houses, as much as it disliked it gets pnms to pledge ship.

I would like to see these start to change especially since two of these houses are so disliked on campus.

They can also move down. I think kappa and AOPI have gone down in ranks based on last two years

it's actually ddd that's moving down and no amount of posting on gr about other houses is going to change that fact

And ADPi is not high mid. And PM has moved up.

It will be very interesting to see what happens next recruitment. I can see zeta moving up to compete more with kappa and chi o. Axo will likely take the place of Adpi on the mid list. DG will compete with Phi Mu.

Kappa has moved down. No way they are no 2 after the past couple of years

Wish everyone would understand this, one good or bad rush doesn’t change this dramatically.

If you think this is true, you must not go here. AOII had the worst return numbers of any of the houses. They are not even close to kd, axo, or pm. Dg is the closest to aoii, but dg still did much better in recruitment.

um, what? aoii literally had the lowest returns of pmns. aoii has not been strong in a long time. other houses keep rising and aoii is bottom now. their numbers were definitely not better than kd, phi mu, and alpha chi. dg did a really good job at recruitment the last two years and are above aoii now.

A mid house who wants everyone to think they’re a top house and super selective but these retention stats make them sound less selective? Any house come to mind?

this!

a certain mid level house (with three repeating Greek letters) does not like people to know what their retention numbers are.

Tri delt. Cuz they can’t stand not being on the same level as the tops

For sure I think it was Tri delt

DDD that’s who would pay to have this relovedt

Agree. Its a DDD alum paying to have this removed or buried

What post was removed???

Tri delt paid for it to be removed