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Chances of being dropped?

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What’s the probably of being dropped by all houses? I’m coming into rush week with an open mind (no house preference) but the thought of being dropped by every house terrifies me!

Posted By: Lilly
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you will not get dropped from all houses unless you walk in with an attitude that your too good for certain houses. be positive and you will get invited back and open a bid card come bid day:)

By: hello
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You will NOT get dropped, however the drop rate Panhellenic gives every year is only true in some sense, most people who leave recruitment do it on their own terms before bid day, sadly a lot of the times because they think they are too good for their remaining houses.

By: Helper
by: Well   

Not true. No house will waste their time with someone who makes it obvious they don’t want to be there. They might give a pnm a second (or even third) chance but no one wants to waste a bid and will make that cut.

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by: Well   

With that being said, I think with first cuts happening before a pnm even walks in a house it will give pnms a chance to humble themselves, evaluate if they want to be involved in Greek life for the right reasons, and then give their remaining houses an honest chance.

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The only girls who were cut by all houses were either grade risks or acted too good to be in a house. As long as you are friendly and genuinely interested in talking to members in all houses, you should be fine.
The reason most of the pmns who don't get a house is because they removed themselves from recruitment after being released from certain houses.

By: well
by: yes   

THIS!!!

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So as long as pnm is open to the house that chooses her, she should get a bid? I think I read 94% of PNMs get bids. So is it reasonable to say 6% drop themselves?
I’m really nervous about this. Has anyone ever not got a bid, even if the pnm is friendly and open to whatever sorority?

By: Pnm
by: Hi   

Be open and you’ll be fine! ❤️

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Please do not come off as nervous and insecure during recruitment, even though you may be. That's not going to help. Be confident and relaxed, keep yourself composed and poised. Try to be engaging and enjoy getting to meet people.

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by: Yes   

Go into every house and be friendly, genuinely interested, and with a super positive attitude. If you do that and give every house a chance…I’d be shocked if you don’t get a bid.

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It does happen. Girls should prepare for everything. Recruitment in the south is not an easy process.

By: Ima
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don’t make pnm’s more nervous than they already are

By: Nooooo
by: Well   

I think it’s ok to know it does happen and ways to avoid it such as being respectful to ALL houses

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You wont get dropped from a house like everyone says above. Dont:
Have an attitude
Be Rude
Have TERRIBLE grades

but Rush is also a numbers game. If you keep dropping the houses that want to bring you back, you might end up with less options towards the end.

Houses dont know if you drop them, but if you get invited back, go in with a good attitude. If they still say yes over and over, you can just NOT ask for a bid from them?? (maybe even suicide bid, but I dont recommend). Go in and be nice. I cannot tell you how exhausted I was when girls were just rude. If they said to me they werent interested, Id say "okay, I'll make note of that, can we atleast have a good conversation for the next 15 minutes?"

It doesnt kill you to be nice. And HOUSES talk. If you're rude asf to us, we will tell our friends. If you skip a party, Greek life gets notified and you will be dropped.

Be a good participant and have fun. Youre only a PNM once. (mostly)

By: DGAlum
by: Janey   

Can you please explain what you mean by
If you keep dropping houses that want to bring you back….”
I just really don’t understand the process.
PNMs rank 1 (top choice) to 11 on day one. Then 1–8 (or less if not everyone invited back) then 1–5 (again, depending) then 2? How can a pnm drop a house inviting then back? Don’t all houses have to invite you back if they’re on your list? And you HAVE to “drop” some of them?

I feel like I need a lesson in how bidding/dropping/ranking works!

And toss in the fact that I could rank a sorority low but still get invited back — I’m super confused! Help?!

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by: @Janey   

Think of it this way: While PNMs are ranking 1-11 and so on each day, the houses are doing the same to PNMs. Therefore, house A, B, C, D may have cut you, even though you ranked them high. That leaves you with houses E, F, G, H, I, J, K to attend.

Remember, this process may feel like you are choosing the house, but the reality is that the house is the one making the choice.

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by: The Algorithm    

- You've got it backwards, Janey. The sororities do the choosing; pnm's do not drop houses and sororities do not have to ask back anyone. The sororities are making the decisions of who to ask back and who to drop and the whole process is driven by the computer algorithm that will give every pnm as many invitations back as possible based on the allowed amount per round and the invitation lists of the sororities.
- Your rankings are just rankings, and aren't necessarily going to reflect which sororities you are actually going back to. You need to understand that houses that you want to go back to are going to drop you. That's a fact and happens to the vast majority of pnm's, so you then need to get over it quick and concentrate on the houses that do want you back. The algorithm will put as many houses on your schedule that it can in order to maximize your options for a bid, and that's why houses you rank low will keep coming back on your schedule; there is room on your schedule because houses have dropped you. Go to them with a smile on your face and graciousness in your heart because they are still interested in you. They don't know that you ranked them low.
- Your rankings only come into play if more houses want to ask you back than are allowed for that round. In that case, the algorithm drops your lower ranked houses for you. But that's not what happens for the majority of pnm's, and getting a full card back, or getting back all your chosen houses, does happen but should not be your expectation.
- Pref round is different...will make a separate comment.

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by: The Algorithm    

- If you are invited to a sorority's pref, then you are on their bid list somewhere. If you rank both your pref houses, you are guaranteed a bid to one of them, but not necessarily to your first choice. If you only put one of your two houses on your card, you are not guaranteed a bid. That's called suiciding and it's either than house or nothing. If you only get one pref invitation and you go there and then put them on your card, you know without a doubt you are getting that bid.
- Bid matching: The pnm's rank their two houses and the sororities rank all their pnm's. The algorithm goes down a sorority's ranked bid list and tries to match with the pnm's who ranked that house as their 1st choice, then if necessary it goes through again and matches with pnm's who ranked that house 2nd. The process ends for that house at whatever point it matches to Quota. If a pnm is high enough on her 1st choice's bid list to match before they reach Quota, she gets that bid. If not, the algorithm will then try to match her with her 2nd choice house. If that house reaches Quota before matching with her, then she will get a bid as a Quota Addition to either house. The Algorithm will choose for her based primarily on the pnm's choice, but also considers her place on the house's bid list as well as the number of Quota Additions to assign. Nobody knows who is a quota addition, it's just a bid like any other. This is how a pnm is guaranteed a bid if she ranks both her pref houses. If she suicides with one house and that house matches to Quota before they match with her, she is out of the process and not getting a bid.
- Maximize your options, pnm's. Be open-minded or be left out.

By: The Algorithm
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by: Good job   

Probably the best explanation I’ve seen on here!

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by: The Algorithm   

Just gonna add one more thing: intentionally trying to get yourself dropped from a house you don't like, by acting disinterested, being rude, and/or straight up telling them that you aren't interested, DOES NOTHING to get you invited back to the houses you really want. NOTHING. In fact, it can backfire and get you dropped everywhere, because we are all friends with girls in multiple houses, and we will gladly share that kind of pnm info with each other during rush. Rude, entitled members are a bad look and we don't want them.

By: The Algorithm
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It is true PNMs, so take warning. Girls room together in apartments and townhouses that are in different sororities. Just because you are in a sorority you love doesn’t mean you hate the girls in other sororities. Quite the opposite. ZTAs live with Pi Phi’s. Chi Os live with AXOs. If you think they don’t talk after each party about who is rude, you are dead wrong.

By: Truth
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