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by: Secret Sister

I thought that it would be extremely useful for PNM's if I created a thread to ask me anything about Greek life. I am an active sister here at Vandy and believe that I have a good well rounded view on it. I will answer pretty much any question, except ones like what house I am from.

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#11  by: Nervous   
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How do the top houses make their lists?

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by: we've been over thisDec 9, 2016 8:21:18 PM

I feel like this has been covered pretty extensively in this thread but I'll summarize:
A lot of it is based on "who you know." So it tends to be girls who went to the same high school (usually private schools) as current members, know them well from extracurriculars, or have some other connection to active sisters. This is usually where the bulk of preliminary lists come from. Clothing/attractiveness is also a consideration, but it's usually less important than connections are.

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#12  by: but   
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So if in the first round you get paired with girls you've never met before, couldn't you get cut if they don't love you, despite knowing other girls in the house or being on the "list"?

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by: good pointDec 10, 2016 12:09:24 AM

We have complex formulas that most members (including me!) don't have access to, but I think they incorporate ratings from during the round, prior connections, and gpa. These formulas are used to create a list of girls, and the top X number of girls are invited back while the bottom Y of girls are cut. Houses meet with all of their members and read through everybody that they are cutting, and sisters can choose to defend girls who they don't want to be cut. So you could be ranked lowly during a round and be on the cut list, but if you have a friend in the house they could choose to defend you and the house as a whole could vote to keep you based on your friends' recommendation. My house at least doesn't really take girls off of our cut list, but it really varies.

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by: Secret SisterDec 10, 2016 1:52:28 AM

I have also said in a previous post that houses vote differently. So if the whole house does not vote and the sister you talked to does not have any spectacular to say about you, your position is definitely in trouble regardless of who you know, unless it's the recruitment chair or something. Lists mean different things for different chapters. Chapters are generally encouraged to get familiar with every PNM on the list, so if they get paired with one of them, the sister will know that the PNM is already viewed very favorably by the chapter. But hypothetically yes you could get cut. I still do not fully trust the 'system' aka the computer. I have seen a lot of girls and chapters get screwed over. Just have a positive attitude going in because unfortunately you cannot change the dumb computer thingy.

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#13  by: Food   
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What should you do if you are offered food? I don't want to seem rude for turning it down, but I don't really want to eat in front of sisters either.

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by: Secret SisterDec 13, 2016 12:12:13 AM

If she is offering to go off campus with you or buy you something, that is technically against rush rules. Obviously you would have to get reported first, but please be smart. If the active sister is offering to meet up soon campus and you pay for your own food, that is perfectly ok as long as she does not hotbox you. We are encouraged to get meals with PNMs whom we like in order for them to meet other sisters. Not everyone says yes, but you give yourself another opportunity to make an impression if you do get a meal. In terms of logistics, maybe try a salad or bowl? I feel like pizza, burrito, and sandwich are super awkward to eat in front of people sometimes, especially since you pretty much have to use your hands. You could just say that you are not that hungry and get a tea or yogurt and sit with her while she eats, so you are consuming something, but it is not messy.

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by: FoodAug 10, 2017 6:54:53 PM

If you mean during rounds, we still give treats during Pref, and if I'm preffing you and you don't eat your dessert, I'll eat it when you're gone because it's so good (and I'm in a top tier! We eat!). I remember being so nervous about whether to eat the dessert or not, but honestly just eat it if you want and don't if you don't want... It will not make a difference.

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#14  by: vandypnm   
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What's the best advice you can give to girls like me who didn't know anybody coming to Vanderbilt but have met and become close with several girls from different houses through clubs, etc? At this point I know it's too late to like meet anybody else so what would you suggest I do during/before rush to make sure I don't get cut from ones I like (keeping in mind I'm not expecting a top house but wouldn't want to end up in a bottom house).

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by: hiDec 12, 2016 3:25:00 PM

First and foremost, have an open mind. I know adpi and axo sometimes get put down on this website, but they both have a lot of cool sisters and have ok reputations on campus. Basically they're seen as more "sweet" and "nice" than "hot" and "rich" like some other sororities are. Aopi is viewed as nice, but also incredibly awkward and personally I would drop them if I got a bid there based on reputation alone.
Also remember that if you do drop, you can rush again as a sophomore when you'll probably have more friends in sororities.
BUT a lack of connections doesn't mean that you will get cut from everywhere, and you still have a decent chance of getting a "good" house. I would say to try and have conversations that are memorable--if we have twenty conversations a day about how great chipotle and jeni's are, the one that we have about a girl's passion for healthcare will stand out. Be active during your conversation and don't treat it like an interview where the girl you're talking to asks you a list of questions, but ask her questions and act like you're interested.

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#15  by: but   
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They keep telling us that if we talk about any of the B's during rush (boys booze barack etc) then we will get cut, but the two girls I talked to at kappa during PPD talked in front of me about how one of them was always hooking up with guys...I'm confused??

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by: hiDec 14, 2016 9:43:20 AM

They usually just say Barack as a way to say politics but still have it fit in the B theme.

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by: hi againDec 14, 2016 1:58:07 PM

But also you shouldn't talk about those things unless a girl brings it up and you can't change the subject easily. They're probably also testing you and how you respond so don't be super awkward about it. If you bring the B's up during rush though, there definitely is a risk and it's probably safer to stick to stuff that isn't controversial.

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by: hiDec 29, 2016 3:48:31 PM

they most likely weren't trying to see how you react or anything like that. maybe they liked you and felt comfortable talking about that! kappas by reputation dont really care about following those types of rules

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by: lolDec 30, 2016 1:36:44 AM

Honestly if girls are taking about that stuff in front of you it's probably because they felt comfortable around you i dont see why everyone is trying to spin things so negatively

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by: Always and ForeverFeb 11, 2017 3:06:23 PM

Kappas are like that nationwide. Ignore them as they ignore you.

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#16  by: bye bye   
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Did you ever stop to think that they might be having a conversation about a 'taboo' subject to simply see how you would respond? Don't take the bait and you will be fine. Its all a game, all the time and you have to be smart about topics of conversation when meeting new people. Just sayin....

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by: Secret SisterDec 15, 2016 12:46:14 PM

Yeah we don't do that type of snake stuff at my house, but that's cute.

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by: black markFeb 11, 2017 3:10:51 PM

They probably do game stuff like that during your pledge period and your four college years, just to strengthen the bonds and keep it smart and classy by keeping it quiet. Only come to us if you don't like what we do to you, we'll take care of you. Don't go outside for help, don't tattle on us or we'll change the locks and your key won't fit anymore. Their DePauw chapter got away with that years ago, kicking complainers out and not pulling the charter.

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#17  by: Wondering   
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Assuming you are past the minimum GPA cut off for each house, does GPA factor in beyond that? I heard that at some schools it can be a tie breaker if girls are equally ranked or it can make a difference if a house wants to up its GPA. If it matters, what is considered a good GPA?

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by: Also WonderingDec 20, 2016 9:04:27 PM

I was hoping that someone could answer that for me too. Like if you are in the 3.7 range or above, could that help you? especially for top tier?

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by: Awkward Dec 23, 2016 12:42:22 AM

that was not the question...

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by: maybeJan 5, 2017 12:54:56 AM

Awkward said I answered the 'wrong' question. Mmmm. Here is a simple answer that might be a bit clearer. GPA does matter but only to a certain point - at most houses the certain point is the minimum GPA or slightly above. GPA matters more at some houses vs others (if you know our system you can figure out which houses I'm talking about here...). I can just speak for what I have seen in our house. GPA is very important but with equal GPAs we focus on other factors. Its unusual for GPA to tip someone over the line as beyond the baseline GPA the other factors are really what we discuss and focus on in our discussions. I guess a point to Awkward is that if a person has a 3.7 but doesn't tick any of our other boxes then we would toss the name out. We are looking for people we want to spend time with and assuming that they meet the min. GPA then we focus on the other factors. Hope this helps.

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#18  by: curious   
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Do the different rounds usually cut for different things?
ie. first round is attractiveness and gpa, second round they can let go legacies, etc.

By: curious
by: WellDec 24, 2016 2:26:43 PM

That's going to vary a lot between houses. Each chapter will have different rules for when they can let legacies go. Gpa is definitely a huge factor first round. Attractiveness will be a big each round so obviously don't slack on your appearance any round. How well you can keep conversation is a bigger factor in later rounds because you'll spend more time at the each house. Towards the last days a big factor will be if they see you getting along with girls in the chapter. So, if they can't picture a group of girls within the chapter that you would fit in with then chances are you will be scored low.

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#19  by: Time   
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How much time does each sorority take? And which days are most common for sororities to have meetings? Also, after rush when youre new in a sorority, is it expected you go out a lot with your sorority, or are there a lot of new member things? Please be as specific for each sorority as possible.

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by: hiDec 29, 2016 3:46:52 PM

there is a ton of new member stuff right after recruitment but it slows down after about a month. and yes pledge classes will go out together for a little while

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#20  by: ppd   
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did sororities make decisions based on ppd? like if you had a good conversation with someone could it help going into rush even if you had no connections to begin with

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by: hiDec 30, 2016 1:38:55 AM

It can help, yes! It would get your name more known to the sorority and girls would look out for you in school/out more if they think you were a good fit.

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